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Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by seltzered_ »

joshuaissac wrote: post #2

I am glad someone is putting in this effort. Many years ago, there was another project called GIMPshop to make GIMP's interface more accessible to Photoshop users. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMPshop They taught Photoshop at school, so I found it easier to use GIMPshop than regular GIMP.

There was also an effort called Glimpse around 2019 to be a UX / accessibility overhaul of GIMP along with a name change to be less offensive, see:

- https://github.com/joshgiesbrecht/Glimpse

- https://web.archive.org/web/20190829115212/https://getglimps...

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mixmastamyk »

lynndotpy wrote: post #125
mixmastamyk wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s only the British (and influenced by) who have a negative view of the name. The rest of us don’t care, and wish you’d quit bringing it up. For example there’s a juice company here in the US named ’Suja,’ and it’s obvious they have no Brazilian employees because it means dirty/obscene in Portuguese. Simple words sometimes mean unfortunate things in other countries. Adults get over them.

This is not true, I am in America and the name has been seriously problematic. This is not surprising, the developers were English-speaking Americans who chose a name to cause offense on purpose, in reference to the full-body sex slave suit in Pulp Fiction: https://www.xach.com/gg/1997/1/profile/1/ I don't know who you claim to represent with "the rest of us", but I can only speak for the experience in America. It do…

Am in California and have never heard this word used outside of the image editor, in my entire life. Not a spring chicken.

Yes, finally looked it up after listening to boring complaints for two decades. Don’t care; mildly amusing collision.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mixmastamyk »

Izkata wrote: post #128
mixmastamyk wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what you’re seeing, but if you choose the move (four arrow button) tool after pasting, it will move the selection. Then you can create a layer or merge down etc if you wish but not required.

Slightly beyond that, pasting creates a temporary new layer you can manipulate like normal layers before anchoring it or converting it to a normal layer. It's visible in the Layers window as a separate layer from the one you were working on.

Right, “floating.”

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by Sophira »

chiffre01 wrote: post #41

I've never understood GIMP's approach to copy paste either. They've made a decision that copy and paste must require as many un-intuitive steps as possible. Most graphics programs let you select a region, copy it and then move the copy around to where you want it, the end. You can usually paste into new layer if needed. But not in GIMP for some reason you have to copy something and 'anchor it' or convert it to a new…

I've memorised the keyboard shortcuts that I need in order to do this extremely common thing.

1. Select region with mouse.

2. Ctrl-C: Copy the region.

3. Ctrl-V: Paste (with the selection still active, so that it pastes in the same place).

4. Ctrl-Shift-N: Makes the resulting "temporary layer" into a permanent new layer.

5. Use the new layer.

I wish I could skip step 4. It's usually not necessary, and if I need to place the temporary layer into the same layer that I was already using, I can just merge the two myself.

Of course, sometimes you do need the ability to directly paste into the same thing, such as if you're editing a layer mask rather than the actual layer itself...

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by shevy-java »

Could be useful. GIMP never had a, to me, useful interface.

Back when they added "export as" in addition to "save as", I told them to please don't do this. Their response was that they want to appeal more to professional designers. I just want a simpler user interface. It is kind of strange that we, as users, depend on upstream developers dictating down UI choices onto us, even more so when things change between versions. I want to be able to choose the UI at all times on my own. Yes, I can patch the source code, but I mean something integrated into the toolkit, as-is. GTK2 had that to a limited extend, you could easily re-assign key combinations, such as in the old bluefish editor. Then GTK3 changed this. I feel that these toolkits are constantly getting worse rather than better over time. One day we need to free ourselves from upstream developers dictating whatever they like to. So, from this point of view, best of luck to the photogimp folks - not sure how well it works, but they make a point with this that I totally understand. (I also have to admit that I often just stick to the default, even though it annoys me, but keeping up with more and more microchanges on my own, also adds to my own burden and time investment. But I really wish I could stop having to accept whatever upstream dictates downstream.)

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by shevy-java »

Matl wrote: post #106

While all the comments about GIMP needing a total UX overhaul etc. are likely valid, it's worth noting that there's something like 2 people working on the bulk of GIMP at the moment. It's not a startup that has just raised a series A and opened a flashy San Francisco office. All that is to say that I don't think the problem is the GIMP devs not knowing what the problems are and needing them explained over and over ag…

> The problem is a shortage of developers to address them.

> So if you can, contribute.

Well, that requires knowledge of C. That already excludes like 98% of the user base or so, or perhaps 90%.

Also, even aside from this, if a majority wants feature xyz but you don't like that, what can you do? It is a constant time investment to convince a majority that what they want may not be great.

You make it sound as if the only bottleneck is lack of developers. I think there are many more bottlenecks than merely lack of developers.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by lynndotpy »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #132
lynndotpy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true, I am in America and the name has been seriously problematic. This is not surprising, the developers were English-speaking Americans who chose a name to cause offense on purpose, in reference to the full-body sex slave suit in Pulp Fiction: https://www.xach.com/gg/1997/1/profile/1/ I don't know who you claim to represent with "the rest of us", but I can only speak for the experience in America. It do…

Am in California and have never heard this word used outside of the image editor, in my entire life. Not a spring chicken. Yes, finally looked it up after listening to boring complaints for two decades. Don’t care; mildly amusing collision.

To repeat, it's not a collision, because it was not accidental. Kimball and Mattis named their image editor after the full-body sex-slave suit, on purpose. GIMP is a backronym.

It's also worth emphasizing that "Pulp Fiction" is not an obscure movie, it was actually a very very popular movie from the 1990s and it's still relevant today. It won awards from every organization that gave movies awards. It was recently quoted by the US Secretary of Defense during a prayer, who thought he was quoting the Bible.

While I believe you when you say you're personally not familiar with the usage of the word, it's a word that you can expect most people would recognize.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mattkevan »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #129
mattkevan wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The company absolutely failed the test. If they're not using industry standard tools then it's a sign they don't take the role seriously. That would be a huge red flag to me. It's like applying to be developer and being told to use Microsoft FrontPage. It's doable, but raises serious questions about the professionalism of the organisation.

“Industry standard tools” can be translated as I’ve been captured and/or a paid shill.

That’s an insane take.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by Palomides »

jdlyga wrote: post #84

GIMP should take a lesson from Blender. Blender used to be the most clunky, unintuitive pieces of open source software. But after a decade and a half of UI development, it's one of the smoothest interfaces you'll ever use.

the only possible lesson from blender I see is "receive millions of dollars a year from corporations"

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by lynndotpy »

867-5309 wrote: post #54
echelon wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. GIMP needs a total UX overhaul 2. GIMP needs RAW support, precision support, and a better data backbone 3. GIMP needs a rename. It's both a sex kink term [1] (not to yuck anyone's yums) and a slur term for disabled people [2] 4. Gen AI will probably disrupt all of this anyway. [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I8S3ZHQ [2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gimp

and what do you propose for the Great Internet Mersenne Prime search?

How would any of this apply to GIMPS?

I think you might be equivocating these on their names, but it's simply not the same. People complain about the name of GIMP because it causes them problems when trying to use it in work and school. But nobody is complaining about GIMPS name, right? It's not even software.

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