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Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by rixthefox »

mistercheph wrote: post #120
jwcooper wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sticking point like always will be media playback (read: DRM/widevine). That is the graveyard where Linux browsers go to die. If Kagi can legally and technically solve the widevine integration on a non-standard Linux webkit build, they win. If not, it will be a secondary browser for documentation reading only. I'm hopeful that some day Linux will have enough users where the media companies can't ignore them. Ho…

You can work around the Widevine issues by pirating the content you're interested in.

This is the way. Widevine is a cancer that only serves to lock down the browser market to a small handful of web engines that have been approved by Google. If your browser isn't based on Chrome, Firefox, or Safari you're out of luck.

Most people will not use a browser that can't open youtube videos and they know and exploit this with extreme precision.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by al_borland »

presbyterian wrote: post #111
IgorPartola wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that I like how Safari works better than any other mobile browser I have used. Wish I didn’t.

When was the last time you tried Orion on iOS? It's gotten noticeably better, and works as well as Safari for me these days.

I tried it recently when the macOS version went to 1.0. Dealing with tabs felt more cumbersome than Safari and I ended up switching back. Safari is better at getting out of my why, which is probably why I always go back to it. This has been a pattern for a couple decades now.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by mitchell209 »

Phelinofist wrote: post #103
jlarocco wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FF and Chromium are controlled by the biggest advertising company on the internet, while Orion is developed by a privacy focused search engine.

But isn't it basically also just a rebranded Chromium clone, thus still heavily depended on G?

It's a webkit browser.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by mistercheph »

jorvi wrote: post #81
thisislife2 wrote: post #54

Nice. But I stopped using Orion on macOS when they stopped offering complete offline installers. They taut they are a zero-telemetry browser, as proof that they are privacy conscious about user data, and that was a good feature and overture. But then when they create technical avenues to (possibly) bypass that (like using online installers that can do all kind of data collection) it becomes harder to trust them as it…

I really like Kagi because of all the features and just generally letting me be a user instead of a product, but they have some weird kludges sometimes. The weirdest choice at the moment is by default Kagi sends a referrer when you visit a search result. There's currently ~65.000 Kagi subscribers worldwide, so just that lone data point completely destroys any anti-fingerprinting you're doing. And probably these subsc…

Woah didn't realize this was the default, turning this off, thanks!

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by globular-toast »

EbNar wrote: post #37
hellcow wrote: post #9

It seems weird to run a closed-source browser on an open-source operating system when so many open alternatives exist—I certainly wouldn’t do it, and I’m a Kagi customer. Does Kagi plan to open-source Orion on Linux?

Just curious, but is this really a big deal? As a customer, you already trust Kagi enough to feed them your entire search history, so I guess you don't think they're bad actors. Thus, why you find problematic the (momentary?) "unopeness" of the browser? I'd gladly try it (I'm on Arch), even just out of curiosity (unlikely to make it my main, though). Jeez, downvoted for asking about context? People, calm down.

> Just curious, but is this really a big deal?

Yes, it's a big deal. I've lived in the non-free software world before and struggled to get out. I'm not going back.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by jlarocco »

Phelinofist wrote: post #103
jlarocco wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FF and Chromium are controlled by the biggest advertising company on the internet, while Orion is developed by a privacy focused search engine.

But isn't it basically also just a rebranded Chromium clone, thus still heavily depended on G?

Orion is using WebKit. Chromium itself was a fork of WebKit. I don't know how much Chromium code gets upstreamed to WebKit any more, but Google certainly doesn't control it the way they do Chromium.

WebKit development is mainly driven by Apple, which isn't great from the perspective of having a browser free of corporate influence, but I trust them more than Google.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by MobiusHorizons »

freediver wrote: post #115
JohnFen wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Requiring it to be open source is not just about trusting the publisher. There are a bunch of other possible reasons, including wanting to support open source as a counterbalance to proprietary software. For me, it's a big deal (although not a dealbreaker) for that reason. If I have the option of two different pieces of software, one being open source and the other proprietary, I'll choose the open source one every t…

Side thought: nobody's ever asked us to open source Kagi Search. Curious why the expectation differs.

I am pretty sure the expectation would be different if Kagi search could be self hosted. Linux people have come to expect open source for code they run on their own machines. Historically closed source Linux software has run into a lot of problems with dependency version mismatches as libraries get updated through the distributions package manager.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by metabagel »

andrewmutz wrote: post #38

If I'm a linux user who uses firefox currently, what's the value prop for this browser? I already get privacy and extensions, is it just for testing my app on webkit?

As I understand it, Orion was originally developed because Apple doesn't allow you to select Kagi as a search provider for Safari.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by metabagel »

Bad_Initialism wrote: post #50

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I get the frustration, since so many submissions link to a page which assumes prior knowledge, and without adding any explanatory comment. In this case, you could find out by clicking on "Why Orion?" to the left or the "Orion" link in the upper right.
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