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Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by jwcooper »

Fiveplus wrote: post #35

This is a healthy thing to happen to the Linux browser ecosystem imho. We talk a lot about browser diversity, but on Linux and Windows, it is a lie. You have firefox (gecko) and fifty flavors of chromium. Webkit on Linux has essentially been relegated to embedded devices or the GNOME epiphany browser, which I'll admit while is a noble effort, lags a bit in the stability and power-user features department. Big reason…

> The sticking point like always will be media playback (read: DRM/widevine). That is the graveyard where Linux browsers go to die. If Kagi can legally and technically solve the widevine integration on a non-standard Linux webkit build, they win. If not, it will be a secondary browser for documentation reading only.

I'm hopeful that some day Linux will have enough users where the media companies can't ignore them. Hopefully, that day is sooner than later.

It's pretty frustrating that peacock (and all xfinity streaming) doesn't work and you can't get 1080p or 4k on most other streaming platforms.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by knowitnone3 »

Fiveplus wrote: post #35

This is a healthy thing to happen to the Linux browser ecosystem imho. We talk a lot about browser diversity, but on Linux and Windows, it is a lie. You have firefox (gecko) and fifty flavors of chromium. Webkit on Linux has essentially been relegated to embedded devices or the GNOME epiphany browser, which I'll admit while is a noble effort, lags a bit in the stability and power-user features department. Big reason…

I have to disagree with some of your points. No shade at Orin but WebKitGTK is a volunteer project. Having competition won't push WebKitGTK any faster because I am sure they are going as fast as they can. WebKitGTK already have a good list of features to add because they have other commercial browsers to compare themselves to, it's the speed that they can add them due to resource limitations. BTW, Firefox also runs on Linux. Also, nobody is installing a secondary browser for documentation reading only - what's the point of doing this?

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by margalabargala »

Bad_Initialism wrote: post #50

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The link submitted is a sub-page of a sub-page on the Kagi docs site. Every single page should not need the information you require just in case someone links someone to that particular page. You should blame OP for linking to the Linux status page.

The actual top level page has everything you asked for. https://help.kagi.com/orion/

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by hobofan »

EbNar wrote: post #37
hellcow wrote: post #9

It seems weird to run a closed-source browser on an open-source operating system when so many open alternatives exist—I certainly wouldn’t do it, and I’m a Kagi customer. Does Kagi plan to open-source Orion on Linux?

Just curious, but is this really a big deal? As a customer, you already trust Kagi enough to feed them your entire search history, so I guess you don't think they're bad actors. Thus, why you find problematic the (momentary?) "unopeness" of the browser? I'd gladly try it (I'm on Arch), even just out of curiosity (unlikely to make it my main, though). Jeez, downvoted for asking about context? People, calm down.

> As a customer, you already trust Kagi enough to feed them your entire search history, so I guess you don't think they're bad actors.

Do I? I'm not going to post sensitive information into a search engine no matter who runs it.

My search history ain't worth much. What the contents of e.g. my bank website are is.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by idiotsecant »

JohnFen wrote: post #48
Fiveplus wrote: post #35

This is a healthy thing to happen to the Linux browser ecosystem imho. We talk a lot about browser diversity, but on Linux and Windows, it is a lie. You have firefox (gecko) and fifty flavors of chromium. Webkit on Linux has essentially been relegated to embedded devices or the GNOME epiphany browser, which I'll admit while is a noble effort, lags a bit in the stability and power-user features department. Big reason…

> The sticking point like always will be media playback (read: DRM/widevine). Probably true in general. But for me, that's not a sticking point at all. I don't care if a browser supports media playback or not. What I do care about is the ability to enable/disable embedded code execution (JS, at the very least) at a fairly granular level. Does Orion allow for that?

You are, you recognize, a tiny minority?

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by EbNar »

JohnFen wrote: post #55
EbNar wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, but is this really a big deal? As a customer, you already trust Kagi enough to feed them your entire search history, so I guess you don't think they're bad actors. Thus, why you find problematic the (momentary?) "unopeness" of the browser? I'd gladly try it (I'm on Arch), even just out of curiosity (unlikely to make it my main, though). Jeez, downvoted for asking about context? People, calm down.

Requiring it to be open source is not just about trusting the publisher. There are a bunch of other possible reasons, including wanting to support open source as a counterbalance to proprietary software. For me, it's a big deal (although not a dealbreaker) for that reason. If I have the option of two different pieces of software, one being open source and the other proprietary, I'll choose the open source one every t…

Understood. Obviously, all things being equal, I prefer (F)OSS too. Anyway, I'll probably play a bit with Orion, if possible.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by bastawhiz »

comandillos wrote: post #16
troad wrote: post #7

Wild that I can't use Kagi in Safari on iOS, where my search options are still locked down to three~four Apple-approved choices, of which at least one is just a multi-billion-dollar paid product placement. (Yes, I know about the extension that hijacks your searches to redirect them to Kagi, but how is that an acceptable state of affairs?)

Wild that my Huawei phone running Harmony OS allows to you customize the search engines in the default browser and iOS does not.

My pixel phone running stock android lets me change the search engine in Chrome[0] as well. It's kind of crazy that Apple still locks this down.

[0] Not on the home screen, but I'll take what I can get.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by hagbard_c »

Phelinofist wrote: post #39

Whats special about Orion? Why would I use it instead of FF or even Chromium?

Nothing, really, other than it being closed-source, based around Webkit and to be sold/distributed under the Kagi moniker. If that combination scratches your itch this is for you, otherwise there are many alternatives.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by EbNar »

hobofan wrote: post #65
EbNar wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, but is this really a big deal? As a customer, you already trust Kagi enough to feed them your entire search history, so I guess you don't think they're bad actors. Thus, why you find problematic the (momentary?) "unopeness" of the browser? I'd gladly try it (I'm on Arch), even just out of curiosity (unlikely to make it my main, though). Jeez, downvoted for asking about context? People, calm down.

> As a customer, you already trust Kagi enough to feed them your entire search history, so I guess you don't think they're bad actors. Do I? I'm not going to post sensitive information into a search engine no matter who runs it. My search history ain't worth much. What the contents of e.g. my bank website are is.

Fine. Thank you for the clarification.
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