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Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by bluGill »

hluska wrote: post #40
ruralfam wrote: post #31

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Not just the ads. They are likely tracking your location, and drive events. These can be sold to your insurance company who may adjust your rates, or even drop you if they consider your driving patterns to be risky. When we got our Ford Maverick, first thing I did was disable this. Kudos to Ford for making this easy. Downside is that we got a recall notice about the software for the backup camera needing an update. I…

Do you really think that a dealership would tie up a service bay to keep you captive? Service is where dealers make their money. You’re convinced that manufacturers will sell data to insurance companies yet believe that dealers will sacrifice hours of profit. That doesn’t work out.

The dealer is paid per job for warrentee work so they still want you out quick.

even for non warrantee service they are generally paid based on how long the job is expected to take not how long it takes them. The only reason to not hurryitoo much is they warrantee their own work and so if you bring it back that costs them.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by bluGill »

mikestew wrote: post #95
sudonanohome wrote: post #42

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100% manuals are the way to go if you want to feel like a driver, not a passenger. I love my manual Jetta Thing is, people are lazy. US market is automatics only. Can't make people understand what the clutch is or why slushbox is bad for fuel efficiency. No one cares. Gas guzzlers are the national idea My kid learned to drive a manual in 15 minutes. Too much effort for US drivers!

why slushbox is bad for fuel efficiency Automatics have been more efficient than manuals for decades. And the computer can shift a DCT faster than you can. These days a manual tranny is right up there with hand-crank starting your car: if you enjoy it, great, but don’t get smug because people don’t want to manually adjust the spark advance.

Only because they cheap out and don't put in manual with optimal gear ratios. Otherwise the manual is better because you can use high throttle with low rpms - try that in an auto and you get high rpms which is bad for efficiency - but great for acceleration.

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Post by petre »

Thorrez wrote: post #112
petre wrote: post #93

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Gasing your neighbours and every living beign on a 100ft radius. I can't stand drivers that idle their cars while they're gone doing other stuff. Remote start should totally be a subscription feature, before it gets banned or regulated. Why? Because it's very annoying.

Do you live in an area where it snows frequently?

Sure. I start the engine and then proceed to get the snow off and defrost the windows using a broom and a scraper. Good way to adjust yourself to the cold. Remote start won't help much in anything more than 2" of snow because it would take half an hour to defreeze by itself. My wife prefers the garage, though. Still, we don't live in Alberta or Alaska for the car to freeze shut.

We had a hybrid replacement Yaris. It's nice but it still turns on the engine when it's cold. I wasn't complaining abut the noise, but the fumes. Diesels are the worst, regardless of CO2 rating, but gas engines produce a lot more CO even if they stink less. There are places where idling is regulated up to 5 minutes.

https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/environment/pollution/air-qual...

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by m463 »

sudonanohome wrote: post #35
hereme888 wrote: post #14

I had already scratched Jeep off my car-buying list years ago. Now the bulk of car-buying research is not "how good is it?" but "what are the purposefully in-built annoyances? Can I hack them away?"

You won't have any options for non garbage vehicles pretty soon. It's more profitable to sell you garbage and than sell you the maintenance on the above mentioned garbage while getting a steady trickle of revenue for ad impressions. Ford pulled focus/fiesta lineup from US ignoring great sales (despite widely known DCT issues) just so they can focus on selling the garbage SUVs and pickups, highest margin cars. But hey…

> Corporations do truly control everything in US.

You know, when the matrix movie came out, humans as batteries seemed ludicrous, obviously a joke! it's not that unrealistic or funny now.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by qball »

mikestew wrote: post #95
sudonanohome wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% manuals are the way to go if you want to feel like a driver, not a passenger. I love my manual Jetta Thing is, people are lazy. US market is automatics only. Can't make people understand what the clutch is or why slushbox is bad for fuel efficiency. No one cares. Gas guzzlers are the national idea My kid learned to drive a manual in 15 minutes. Too much effort for US drivers!

why slushbox is bad for fuel efficiency Automatics have been more efficient than manuals for decades. And the computer can shift a DCT faster than you can. These days a manual tranny is right up there with hand-crank starting your car: if you enjoy it, great, but don’t get smug because people don’t want to manually adjust the spark advance.

>Automatics have been more efficient than manuals for decades.

No, they haven't. At least, not ones the average consumer could actually buy.

While it's true that modern 8 or 10 speed automatic transmissions do now compete favorably with 6 speed manuals, the former didn't meaningfully exist in passenger cars or trucks until around 2017. Neither did DCTs outside of high-end brands- sure, they're starting to do that now that "torque converter loss" means they don't pass emissions, but that was an option that commanded a premium back in the mid-00s when they were introduced (and still not actually more efficient than a manual outside of shift speed).

An automatic with 4 gears is less efficient than a manual with 5, much less 6 (this was the standard until about 2010 or so); one with 6 gears is likely on par with the 5-speed manual (and loses to a 6-speed, obviously).

So no, "decades" is bullshit. It's a very recent advancement.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

sudonanohome wrote: post #105
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #81

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I honestly can't say I notice any difference between driving a manual or an automatic car. If we were in a car right now and I was driving, I'd have to look at the gearstick to tell you if it was auto or manual. I genuinely don't get the USian obsession with driving manual gearbox cars being somehow "elite".

When you have a small fuel efficient engine, you can tell and feel the difference. With a V6 under your hood, you probably don't care. US is mostly big engines

Not really, although I guess the least powerful automatic I've ever driven was a 1.7 litre naturally-aspirated diesel Citroën Xantia. It was very economical on long runs but acceleration was really something for very patient people.

Most Xantias had a 1.9 petrol making roughly 50% more power, although with appreciably less torque.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

qball wrote: post #117
sudonanohome wrote: post #105

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When you have a small fuel efficient engine, you can tell and feel the difference. With a V6 under your hood, you probably don't care. US is mostly big engines

You will still care that you're wasting a bunch of your engine's potential, even with a V8. Autos (not DCTs) don't generally let you rev the engine as high as manuals do, they don't really let you take advantage of engine braking, and they may ignore your command to manually shift them into a lower gear at will (DCTs can do that too).

> You will still care that you're wasting a bunch of your engine's potential, even with a V8.

You're not really, especially on a long run. If you're doing motorway speeds there is no difference in economy and performance. An auto will be a bit worse in slow driving, when it's using the torque converter which is quite lossy.

> Autos (not DCTs) don't generally let you rev the engine as high as manuals do, they don't really let you take advantage of engine braking, and they may ignore your command to manually shift them into a lower gear at will (DCTs can do that too).

They will let you rev the engine as high as you like and will engine-brake just fine if you select a lower gear. They might not shift into a lower gear if you've got a gearbox that's smart enough to stop you money-shifting the engine.

Re: Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

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Post by e40 »

subaripped wrote: post #129
dotancohen wrote: post #97

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Interpretation The First: One does not need to subscribe to enjoy this functionality. Interpretation The Second: These vehicles are maintained by a corporation that is both greedy and incompetent.

I took my wife's 2020 Crosstrek in for service a couple of years ago. The service writer told me (and documented) that the car needed rear pads when I came to pick it up. That's a little weird, I thought. I took it to a tire place for snows two weeks later. They inspect that shit for the upsell while the wheels are off anyway. Front and rear brakes: fine. Checked 'em myself. Sure enough, barely worn. That was the las…

Honda dealer told me I had an oil leak. Odd, never saw oil in my driveway. Said no thanks. A friend mechanic looked at it and said there was no evidence of an oil leak.

Never going to that dealer ever again.

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