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Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by upwardbound »

keiferski wrote: post #39
qgin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The line for AGI used to be the Turing Test. But we blew past that with current models without even blinking and came up with new requirements because we weren’t ready to call something AGI yet.

The Turing Test was one suggestion that many philosophers and computer scientists were/are critical of - and have been critical of for decades.

But nonetheless, it was still the most famous test and was specifically set forth as an AGI test by the father of computing. People have been critical of it but there was never any other standard that was as broadly accepted as Turing's proposal.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by upwardbound »

convexstrictly wrote: post #95
jph00 wrote: post #77

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Helen Toner is brilliant. This dude has never met her, yet somehow has the gall to proclaim he'd be better at her job than he is. People shouldn't get board roles based on what degree they have, but based on how well they can do the job.

Please expand on that. Details would be helpful.

Copy-pasting from another thread where I posted this:

Helen Toner is famous among the AI safety community for being one of the main people working to halt and reverse any sort of "AI arms race" between the US & China. The recent successes in this regard at the UK AI Safety Summit and the Biden/Xi talks are due in large part to her advocacy.

She is well-connected with Pentagon leaders, who trust her input. She also is one of the hardest-working people among the West's analysts in her efforts to understand and connect with the Chinese side, as she uprooted her life to literally live in Beijing at one point in order to meet with people in the budding Chinese AI Safety community.

Here's an example of her work: AI safeguards: Views inside and outside China (Book chapter) https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/97810032...

She's also co-authored several of the most famous "survey" papers which give an overview of AI safety methods: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22h...

She's at roughly the same level of eminence as Dr. Eric Horvitz (Microsoft's Chief Scientific Officer), who has similar goals as her, and who is an advisor to Biden. Comparing the two, Horvitz is more well-connected but Toner is more prolific, and overall they have roughly equal impact.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by pdgenoa »

batman-farts wrote: post #110
chpatrick wrote: post #34

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If you told someone in 2020 that we would have DALL-E 3 and GPT4 today they would say you're talking about UFOs too. "Just an incredibly advanced Markov chain" doesn't mean anything. Humans writing text are also incredibly advanced Markov chains.

No, sorry, I don't buy this assertion when it comes up. Everything I've seen, even from the most advanced image generators, has struck me as a logical follow-on from the "big data" trends of the 2010s. If you've ingested literally everything of a certain data type available on the internet, or even a significant fraction of it, it follows that you'd eventually be able to mix it all together and produce randomized out…

So you disagree with and think you know better than the 14 people at Microsoft Research that had access to the unrestricted early GPT-4 model and wrote the white paper outlining the results of experiments with it that concluded the model showed "sparks of artificial general intelligence".

That's their informed, direct conclusion after hands on with the unrestricted model. I wonder what your conclusion is based on.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by zarkenfrood »

one thing that has apparent through this saga is how many people think Sam was a driving force behind the development and engineering. His departure may impact capital raising but not model development. Ilya is the driving force there and his commitment to the original idea l may bring OpenAI closer to the original investors aims.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by rirarobo »

famouswaffles wrote: post #59
rirarobo wrote: post #41

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Based on Ilya's comments [1] it sounds like it was more about a disagreement around the original non-profit mission, and making sure that AI benefited all of humanity. Perhaps Ilya felt Sam was focusing too much on profit and power with his recent world tour and then dev day? Regardless, it's certainly rare, for one of the core scientists to maintain control over their creation, rather than the other way around. Typi…

It would be weird for this sort of disagreement to reach a feverpitch that would see the CEO sacked without some much better model in the background though. Like Dev Day was characterized as "too far". How ? How is that interfering with the mission to benefit all humanity? It's all very weird.

Yeah, no idea, I can only speculate, maybe Dev Day was just the final straw, or perhaps it was related to APEC and the whole world tour that Sam did to make deals with powerful actors, or maybe it was related to the rumored tender offer?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/20/technology/openai-artific...

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by GenericPoster »

windowshopping wrote: post #125
famouswaffles wrote: post #62

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So you're not even using what is the public state of the art and much better than everything else to make sweeping statements on what LLMs are or are not capable of ? Lol

I just don't buy the idea that being 0.5 versions and a few months past "oh no your cat has a gun!" equals AGI, the singularity. I don't consider this dishonest or misleading.

A 44 rubix cube is barely harder to solve than a 33 rubix cube. After all, it's only a difference of 1.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by hardwaresofton »

windowshopping wrote: post #7
famouswaffles wrote: post #3

Tinfoil? Hat time. Everyone from Greg to Sam to Ilya keep hanging on "AGI for the benefit of humanity". According to OpenAI's constitution: AGI is explicitly carved out of all commercial and IP licensing agreements, including the ones with Microsoft. Nuclear. Well apparently, the board decides what will be AGI. But 3 (everyone now left except ilya) of those board members don't even work at Open AI and are only privy…

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

> But in one sentence, try asking ChatGPT to reverse a string of 20+ digits, like 473936482738338373926. It can't do it. It's a super trivial task, but it can't do it. Because it doesn't really understand anything. It's just an incredibly advanced Markov chain.

I agree with this statement, but why don't I see it described this way more?

It really feels like transformers are (large) parameterized markov chains but I never seen anyone describe it this way, is it just not a good approximation/hiding too much of the technical workings to be true?

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by staticman2 »

mquander wrote: post #15
windowshopping wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anytime I hear someone even hypothesizing with a tin foil hat that some company has developed AGI today in 2023, I hear it the same way I hear someone speculating about UFOs. It's so absurd that all I can do is shake my head and look around the room hoping to make eye contact with someone sane who is wearing the same expression of raised eyebrows that I am. I could write an essay on why the existence of AGI in 2023 i…

> But in one sentence, try asking ChatGPT to reverse a string of 20+ digits, like 473936482738338373926. https://chat.openai.com/share/79a7ab39-bd3c-42e8-b4bb-452ded... > The reversed string of '473936482738338373926' is '629373833837284639374'. So now do you think it understands something?

That only works if you have it run a python script. If you use the non data analysis version it fails.

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by windowshopping »

GenericPoster wrote: post #136
windowshopping wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't buy the idea that being 0.5 versions and a few months past "oh no your cat has a gun!" equals AGI, the singularity. I don't consider this dishonest or misleading.

A 4 4 rubix cube is barely harder to solve than a 3 3 rubix cube. After all, it's only a difference of 1.

Are you really saying the jump from a 3x rubiks cube to a 4x rubiks cube is comparable to the jump from chatgpt to the singularity?

Re: Sutskever: OpenAI board doing its mission to build AGI that benefits all

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Post by ignoramous »

siva7 wrote: post #58

I don't know but Sutskever comes of like a psycho on an ego trip who wants you to believe he is the good guy.

I don't know him either but in his interviews, Ilya's always been composed, considerate, and measured. Not sure what ticked you off.
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