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Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by toyg »

znpy wrote: post #71
parineum wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Like, yeah, the guy was being thin-skinned and over reactive but publicly accusing your employer's client of war crimes should get you fired. If you're upset that your employer is dealing with these people, quit. Work for someone you don't hate.

If you think what your employer does is unacceptable you shouldn’t work for them (even if this happens via an acquisition). But most people are extremely hypocritical, and will gladly ignore their “ideals” in the name of the holy fat paycheque.

He basically admits as such, when he said challenging the nondisparaging clauses in the name of free speech was not worth risking the $40k paycheck.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by neonsunset »

cmdli wrote: post #24

> "Being as I’m not an idiot, I elect to bring a witness of my own (@lizthegrey ). She slightly livetweeted that conversation until VP VMware tells her to stop. " This, I think, is the point that caused the firing. It's pretty clear that if you choose a witness who then posts everything publicly that you are not discussing in good faith. Like, it's your right to speak your mind, and maybe you think you are in the mor…

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Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by paganel »

seanthemon wrote: post #68
newaccount74 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you fire someone for a few insults on Twitter then you belong in Kindergarten, not in a management position. Boy, I'm so happy I don't work for anyone, I'd hate to have to deal with sensitive pricks that think they can dictate what their employees say on social media.

I'm curious, as a self-employeed worker, do you find freedom in saying "fuck you" to your clients publically online?

They were not these person's "clients", they were the government clients of the company employing him/her. I would have expected the US employees to still have the freedom to say "fuck you!" to their government, even though said government might be on the list of one employer's clients.

More generally, one shouldn't have to give up his/her personal rights to say "fuck you!" to the government once he/she enters an employment contract.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by raverbashing »

re-thc wrote: post #64
nik736 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also super unnecessary to tweet like that. No one wins.

Twitter wins. More traffic! Got to rate limit.

This is what people don't realize

Your "hot takes" for the most part (especially when they're basically cheap dunks) on SM help only twitter.

There's plenty of criticism that can be done about the parts mentioned, but those tweets are pretty much the definition of heckling. Honestly nobody cares, and nobody is there for that

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by grimgoldgo »

once_inc wrote: post #109
grimgoldgo wrote: post #37

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You are allowed to discuss workplace conditions. That's like, protected concerted activity 101. If the business was uncomfortable with their treatment of their employees being public, maybe that activity wasn't ethical.

Bullshit. Bringing someone from outside a business to a conversation that "slightly livetweets" what is being said is totally not acceptable. I invite you to bring an outside party to your next business meeting, standup or all hands meeting and have them "slightly livetweet" it. You will find the door before the meeting ends. Businesses have every right to some level of obscurity on what happens internally. There is…

Those meetings are not disciplinary meetings where your performance is being discussed. Everything in a disciplinary meeting is workplace conditions, full stop.

And if hr disagreed, they could have asked the guest to leave.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by spondylosaurus »

wiseowise wrote: post #128
spondylosaurus wrote: post #7

Nice read, thanks for sharing. It's interesting (to say the least) that they more or less used a "no talking about politics" clause to fire this woman, even though the other guy's statements about DoD weapons systems are certainly just as political. But he's an Air Force guy, she's a dissident, he's establishment, she's counterculture, so he got to push her out of a job for meeting him on his playing field, so to spe…

> DoD weapons systems are certainly just as political. It’s not. Maybe insensitive to contra-war, but not political.

War is pretty explicitly political.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by Apocryphon »

parineum wrote: post #88
morelisp wrote: post #50

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Your critique only makes sense if she's working for the DoD, or negotiating those contracts for VMWare, or VMWare's business is significantly DoD contracts, none of which are true.

Why does it have to be a significant part of VMWare's business? DoD money is flowing into her pockets and she's fighting to keep it that way.

The DoD also performs public services that ostensibly protect her life and liberty at some level, and doubtless she doesn't disagree with those functions. The amount one benefits from an entity one disagrees with can be variable, and debatable.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by wiseowise »

camillomiller wrote: post #60
josephcsible wrote: post #6

If you publicly make personal attacks against employees of your employer's biggest customer, isn't firing you a completely reasonable thing for your employer to do?

Tell me again how corporate capitalism is compatible with personal freedoms, then.

If your clown persona is incompatible with corporate culture, then you’re the one who’s in the wrong. They just corrected their original error of hiring the person.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by grimgoldgo »

galkk wrote: post #124
grimgoldgo wrote: post #57

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"Fuck you" has so many different tones, and is so ubiquitous. It can be playful, jocular, intense, deadly serious, all over the place. Fuck you is not, by default, a personal attack, imo. It's also almost certainly culturally different on different coasts, online, in person, etc. A tweet is like, nothing.

Let me guess, you're of those people who say that phrases like "kill all men" do NOT mean "kill all men", but something ? At best this is extreme playing with words, and at worst this is just mental gymnastics Fuck you is fuck you, this is rude and as personal as it gets.

It's really, really not. Fuck you has a huge range of meaning. Carlin built several comedy bits around the word Fuck specifically because it was used colloquially so many ways.
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