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Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by skizm »

nova22033 wrote: post #96
obayesshelton wrote: post #9

This is because Facebook is a Publisher. They will never admit it but FB/META can decide what users can see. This is the what a Publisher does. The issue we have is that if you let the users decide what is shown on any platform it would be quite a mess.

https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/23/hello-youve-been-referre...

Devil's advocate here (I won't comment on if I agree with the argument or not), but this article seems to miss the point of the section 230 debate. All of the stuff here is about what the law is now. The objection most people have is that it shouldn't be like this and we need to change or remove section 230. It specifically allows sites to be biased while also not holding them legally accountable for anything they choose not to remove. Once a social media site hits a certain scale, they can completely control any narrative they want. Should this be allowed is the real question (imo).

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by Tao3300 »

prepend wrote: post #63
bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

The weirdest is the email message says they reviewed and upheld. Is the review not human? Do they run it through the same algorithm a second time? Do they lie about the review? Is the reviewer so out of touch they don’t recognize real violence vs just the use of “beat?”

The human review is probably someone who doesn't understand the language verifying that a word is present for fractional cents on Mechanical Turk or something.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by i_like_apis »

cranium wrote: post #12
bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

It's fearsome how they filter such words without looking at the context or giving the benefit of the doubt. Now, you have to proactively reword your ideas to make them fit the invisible mold. How has newspeak been going for the public discourse ?

Double thumbs up good.

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Post by Covzire »

bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

Personally I think Zuckerberg might be a sociopath.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by Juliate »

piokoch wrote: post #34

The problem is that no automatic method we have now will catch context. There is a difference between "Jews were murdered by Germans during war" and "Jews destroyed German economy before the war" that will not be recognized by any machine we have nowadays. The first is true, the second is bullshit, how algorithm can now this? More, even if Facebook employees humans to do moderation still for some contractor from Asia…

The obvious legal response is/should be: don't make an algorithm take precedence if it is _that_ broken (incorrect, ineffective and unfair).

Even from a product point of view, that's basic: your product feature doesn't pass quality, you don't ship it.

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Post by jscipione »

nradov wrote: post #127
obayesshelton wrote: post #9

This is because Facebook is a Publisher. They will never admit it but FB/META can decide what users can see. This is the what a Publisher does. The issue we have is that if you let the users decide what is shown on any platform it would be quite a mess.

So what? "Publisher" isn't a defined legal category in this context. Even if Facebook is a publisher that doesn't create any legal obligations.

Publishers are liable for any libel they publish while platforms are not, that’s the legal distinction. When Facebook chooses to editorialize their content like they did in this instance they forfeit the legal protections of the Communications Decency Act. The first Amendment limits the power of the federal government to provide liability protection for publishers.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by AlexandrB »

darthrupert wrote: post #6

Recently Farcebook has started recommending incredibly toxic anti-SJW shit to me for no apparent reason. Either they turned the "let's incite toxicity" knob to 11 or somebody is seriously abusing them.

Indeed. By US standards I'm somewhere left of Bernie but I keep getting recommended Jordan Peterson reels on Instagram. Not sure what's going on.
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