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Re: I/O 2022

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Post by three_seagrass »

twelvechairs wrote: post #100
adamrezich wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will never understand why emoji, the whole point of which is to convey universal emotions (and other icons), ever needed skin tone modifiers at all. why do "thumbs up" and "thumbs up, but i'm white btw" need to be encoded differently? why is everyone OK with Native Americans and other ethnicities with reddish skin tones being excluded? just a complete mess top-to-bottom, and now we can basically never undo it. imag…

The default was yellow which basically represents white people.

You're being downvoted but you're kinda right.

The longest running cartoon show in history (The Simpsons) uses yellow to represent white people, while POC are brown and black.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by 015a »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #52
valbaca wrote: post #19

Multiple mentions of "skin tone" and AI. Did they really mess up skin tone recognition that bad that they needed three different solutions to it? (I feel like I missed some major fuckup on their end) https://blog.google/products/assistant/assistant-io-2022/ https://blog.google/products/search/monk-skin-tone-scale/ https://blog.google/technology/research/ai-monk-scale-skin-t...

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Easy; just look at their corporate leadership page. Plenty of white men there!

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by dudus »

lkxijlewlf wrote: post #11

I popped in for a few minutes to verify something. I'm ... over this whole annual what's new presentation stuff. I just don't care anymore. And honestly the three presenters I saw didn't even seem like they rehearsed at all. They just read from the prompter and tried to put excitement in their voice at the same time and it just fell flat.

Yo me it just seems like everyone is following a playbook for presentations based on some bullshit science and pairing that with the best Steve Jobs impersonation you can.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by twofornone »

three_seagrass wrote: post #122
SemanticStrengh wrote: post #60

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So much hypocrisy going on. If fighting racism was the goal Unicode should not have added skin colored emojis. This is the dumbest move ever.

Excluding skin color and gender is being blind to prejudice, not fighting it.

This attitude promotes prejudice, merely redirecting it to whatever demographic is convenient to paint as "dominant", it will never solve the problem because it explicitly prescribes different treatment based on ethnicity/gender.

Its an emotionally appealing but logically nonsensical justification for bigotry. And particularly appealing to people who are more interested in power than actual equality.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by Lammy »

adamrezich wrote: post #130
ben_w wrote: post #125

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You believe that’s a reason to think it can’t be done?

not at all, of course. realistically the biggest impediment to adding more skin tones is that if the list of additional skin tones wasn't completely exhaustive, there would be public outcry. as it stands right now, the simple gradient scale is "good enough," so there isn't much impetus to add any more.

> if the list of additional skin tones wasn't completely exhaustive, there would be public outcry

This is kind of how I felt when looking at the scale just now, because none of the 10 really look like me. Maybe it's supposed to be a round-down/up sort of thing, or maybe I should calibrate my display?

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by SemanticStrengh »

three_seagrass wrote: post #122
SemanticStrengh wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much hypocrisy going on. If fighting racism was the goal Unicode should not have added skin colored emojis. This is the dumbest move ever.

Excluding skin color and gender is being blind to prejudice, not fighting it.

white colored downvote

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by curiousgal »

webmaven wrote: post #101

This is getting into the weeds, but I'm keeping an eye out for information on whether the 6a will have a subscription option like the 5a (24 payments of $15 = $360 for a $450 phone). Of course, my 5a will only be paid off in another 19 months, at which point a hypothetical Pixel 7a will presumably be available for upgrading, hopefully also with a similar subscription plan, but meanwhile whether the 6a even has a subs…

If you want to upgrade your 5a go for the 5. The 6 is awful and I doubt the 6a is any better. Apple perfecting their SoCs has made it seem so easy, but as it turns out, it is extremely hard.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by verdverm »

indy wrote: post #7
retskrad wrote: post #2

Google is working on some interesting stuff but their live events aren’t doing them any favors. There’s no hype leading up to them and the events themselves are dull as hell. Google currently has only 40k people watching the live event. Apple WWDC events attract 10X as many concurrent viewers.

There's no hype because they don't have anything to show that deserves hype. It's all the same: AI to improve photos, AI to improve translations and small iterative improvements to Android that you swear were shown at a Google IO event years ago Edit: watching the livestream and they've just announced an Android tablet! Honestly this déjà vu is getting ridiculous

The AR glasses bit was especially underwhelming. Basically faked the entire video

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by fumar »

izzydata wrote: post #48
systemvoltage wrote: post #28

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I miss Steve Jobs era of keynotes. All keynotes are just so dull today. What went wrong?

Technology was advancing more rapidly so there were actually new and exciting things to show you. We seem to be hitting diminishing returns and most of the low hanging fruit and almost all the high hanging fruit problems that we have in our day to day lives have been solved that can be solved with a computer. Now since they have run out of problems to solve they are inventing problems so they can solve them.

Should we look to biotech and robotics? I would love to live a life where my genetics don’t hinder everyday living or outsource labor like laundry to machines.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by reaperducer »

twelvechairs wrote: post #100
adamrezich wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will never understand why emoji, the whole point of which is to convey universal emotions (and other icons), ever needed skin tone modifiers at all. why do "thumbs up" and "thumbs up, but i'm white btw" need to be encoded differently? why is everyone OK with Native Americans and other ethnicities with reddish skin tones being excluded? just a complete mess top-to-bottom, and now we can basically never undo it. imag…

The default was yellow which basically represents white people.

The default was yellow which basically represents white people.

I guess you missed the day Yellow Peril was covered in history class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril

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