Fuck vaxxers.
I hope you all fucking die.
How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated
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Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated
#132Maximum death rate for all age groups with Moderna, which at least according to these plots provides the lowest death rate, is at 0.8/100_000 in August 2021 for all age groups. Maximum death rate for the unvaccinated of age 12-17 is at 0.17/100_000, for age 18-29 it is 0.76/100_000, also in August 2021. So even unvaccinated younger people (age < 30) are better off than the average vaccinated Joe. The thing is, so far…
You're forgetting the vaccine is also very efficient in preventing hospitalization. By a factor of ≈11 (average, ages 12-17 & 18-59) in the RKI (Germany) data[¹].
So even if you're aged 12 to 29, if you don't get vaccinated you're gambling at taking away someone else's hospital bed. Which will doom the rest of us.
So, can everyone please get fricken vaccinated ffs?
[¹] https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...
Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated
#133It really seems like it's safe to say that a fully vaccinated person's risk of dying from covid is low enough where based on the pre-2020 accepted societal standards for risk there should be next to no behavior modification expected.
Sigh. How many times does this have to be explained before everyone gets it? It is not all about you. There are other people in the world. Masks and social distancing protect them, too. In addition, as others have noted in this thread, death is not the only bad result, here. Long covid is horrific, and even milder cases can have permanent health effects that are extremely undesirable.
Honest question: do you expect that humans will wear masks and stay afraid of each other for the next decade? I do not (and certainly hope we do not).
Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated
#134I mean can we just get over this already? I feel like the more effort that we spend trying to prove that vaccines work, the more merit the anti-vax movement gains. Can we just ignore those people or simply just laugh at them and move on?
haha those crazy people expecting a few years of safety trials before novel medical treatments are forced onto the public. they sure are silly
I've always loved this logic. Luckily lead, asbestos, CFCs, plastic hardners, microplastics, Teflon, fracking pollutants and ICE/diesel fumes have had no presumed medical benefits so we need rigorous evidence to believe they have already killed us.
Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed, convincing people who think the entire thing is orchestrated by dark forces is pointless. At this point, what I'd like to see: a) accept natural immunity alongside vaccination status, probably need some kind of antibody count test for that to work b) "incentives" for vaccinated population, e.g. 90% discount on COVID treatments while unvaccinated pay full price
No need to be black and white about this. It's not just a battle between the rabid authoritarians and hysterical Chicken Littles on one side, and the crackpot QAnons and categorical anti-vaxxers on the other. There's a range of reasonable positions in between. So let's stop framing things in the distorted and divisive way that the media has profited enormously from. I, for one, do not think the COVID vaccine specific…
Yes and no. Vaccination is absolutely a black and white issue, you either got vaccinated or you didn't. What comes after that is not black and white: the antibody count is variable, from zero to some large number.
What I'm proposing is not black and white but instead two things that give people a range of choices.
Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed, convincing people who think the entire thing is orchestrated by dark forces is pointless. At this point, what I'd like to see: a) accept natural immunity alongside vaccination status, probably need some kind of antibody count test for that to work b) "incentives" for vaccinated population, e.g. 90% discount on COVID treatments while unvaccinated pay full price
No need to be black and white about this. It's not just a battle between the rabid authoritarians and hysterical Chicken Littles on one side, and the crackpot QAnons and categorical anti-vaxxers on the other. There's a range of reasonable positions in between. So let's stop framing things in the distorted and divisive way that the media has profited enormously from. I, for one, do not think the COVID vaccine specific…
They'll lock you up in Australia for these types of views.
Australia already has sent 38 people to a concentration camp merely because they tested positive.
If you don't think this is coming to America - think again. The fascists here are drunk on power.
Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you are under 30, it appears your risk of death is low regardless of your status, but you will not forever be under 30, and perhaps you know some over-30 for whom the difference in death rate is important? Even if there's no one you care about who is over 30, to the extent that vaccination also reduces your risk of infecting others, it is polite to your society to be vaccinated. Perhaps you get no great benefit, b…
Presumably the under 30s will get covid within a few years, and then they will be in the pool of people with significant immunity.
Or they could vaccinate and have significant immunity nearly immediately without COVID.
Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated
#138It really seems like it's safe to say that a fully vaccinated person's risk of dying from covid is low enough where based on the pre-2020 accepted societal standards for risk there should be next to no behavior modification expected.
Is it? 0.2 percent of American's have already died from this. Or put another way, 99.98% is the current best real live actual number of how survivable Covid-19 is. Not some made up number with a bunch more 9's or 0's, but 99.98%. Three nines would be pathetic for a website's uptime. (I might be biased on that one, I do that professionally.) This puts it 3rd on the list of health reasons Americans die, behind cancer a…
Actually that number is made up too - CDC themselves said less than 10k deaths from covid alone.
The rest were from comorbidities such as getting shot in the head or ran over by a car or being a fat fucking piece of shit that already had terminal cancer.
Fuck covidians. They should be the ones getting rounded up.
Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated
#139The average person (vax or anti-vax) will read this to the end, maybe even understand the numbers but then think "well, but half of COVID deaths are among the vaccinated". 90% of people know that Stats is the hardest math there is and the other 15% don't get it.
Not knowing statistics is a form of protection against depression, sadness and anxiety. Gotta thank god that the majority of people believe bad stuff doesn't apply to them. It's a burden for few. If you want to see society collapse just improve the literacy in statistics
Correct. The famous saying that "ignorance is bliss" is what comes to mind here.
Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated
#140The average person (vax or anti-vax) will read this to the end, maybe even understand the numbers but then think "well, but half of COVID deaths are among the vaccinated". 90% of people know that Stats is the hardest math there is and the other 15% don't get it.
>90% of people know that Stats is the hardest math there is and the other 15% don't get it.
I feel like this is a joke that I'm not understanding?