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Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by andy_ppp »

frant-hartm wrote: post #99
andy_ppp wrote: post #29

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The AMD CPU wattage != Apple’s SOC including graphics card, large parts of the motherboard and memory. If you’re right where can I buy an AMD laptop with 20h battery life?

You are mixing battery life (= battery capacity / power consumption at low digits cpu usage) and performance per watt (= max performance / power consumption). M1 is better at the former, high end laptop Ryzen models are better at the latter.

No, I’m not mixing anything up; I mentioned heat and battery life. Where do I mention performance per watt?

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by rvz »

bayindirh wrote: post #106
gigatexal wrote: post #92

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I’ve a tax return waiting for whatever M2 or M1X pro laptop they come out with. I simply can not wait.

Just assume that M1 doesn't exist. It'll be much easier. It'll worth the wait. :)

Exactly. It is sooner than you think.

You won't be the M1 early adopters in 2020 that had their software break in front of them this time when getting an M1X or M2 device this year.

Not only it will be a lot faster thanks to it being possibly going down to 4nm, the software ecosystem will be much improved and supported by it from day 0.

You will thank me later.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by wiredfool »

klelatti wrote: post #113
yardie wrote: post #84

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6502 -> 680x0 -> PPC601 -> x86_64 -> ARMv8.5 (Apple M1) Apple has a long, long history of pulling off well executed architecture changes. If you are a Apple computer shopper then you would know by now that by the time they release a new architecture, internally, that platform has long been retired for their internal users. It would have been an even bigger headline if Apple released the M1 and it didn't live up to ex…

Almost! 6502 -> 680x0 -> PPC601 -> x86 -> x86_64 -> ARMv8.5 (Apple M1) First Intel Macs (MacBook Pro) had a Core Duo which was 32 bit. I think Core 2 Duo was delayed and Apple weren't particularly happy about it.

There was a Core Solo mini as well at the bottom end of the line.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by gigatexal »

rvz wrote: post #132
bayindirh wrote: post #106

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Just assume that M1 doesn't exist. It'll be much easier. It'll worth the wait. :)

Exactly. It is sooner than you think. You won't be the M1 early adopters in 2020 that had their software break in front of them this time when getting an M1X or M2 device this year. Not only it will be a lot faster thanks to it being possibly going down to 4nm, the software ecosystem will be much improved and supported by it from day 0. You will thank me later.

Do we know if the silicon shortages will affect the M2 or what comes after? I wonder if they booked enough volume with TSMC to get to 4nm or whatever the next process shrink is or if they will be trying to shove M1s into everything.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by culopatin »

the_only_law wrote: post #116

The new M1 machines seem cool, and I almost considered grabbing a MacBook or Mac Mini last year, but I'm worried about the complete lack of upgradability. From my understanding, the older Intel models of some Apple devices at least had some level of upgradability (memory, etc.), but the the memory being on the SoC, I can't buy a cheaper model and hat upgrade it later as I see fit. So if I need something new later, I…

This has been the case for years now, and other manufacturers are following the same trend. I'm starting to find that I rarely upgrade things anyway because by the time I need to upgrade, things like the CPU might be too slow anyway, or ports have drifted away to USB-X and Thunderbolt 12 and the whole device falls behind.

I say this as the owner of a maxed out Thinkpad X1 Yoga 1st gen. I tend to buy used top of the line and forget about upgrades. The ram is soldered in this one as well, but I can change SSDs and WiFi cards, which is very nice.

It's been running MacOS Catalina for more than a year now and rock solid stable, so basically a $300 i7, 16GBRAM /512GBSSD 1440p 14in Macbook that is lighter than the 13in Pro.

The cons are the damn speakers, if this thing had good speakers I wouldn't even consider a Macbook.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by culopatin »

sneak wrote: post #7

The $999 Macbook Air has long been Apple's best selling computer by a pretty wide margin. The Air being M1 now (and retina, and still $999!) has probably accomplished most of this.

A 27in display with some sort of cable-less Macbook dock in the back or underneath could be a pretty good iMac replacement no?

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by lorenzhs »

varispeed wrote: post #103
onethought wrote: post #55

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Because it isn’t a point. What’s locked down about an M1 that isn’t locked down about an intel?

For starters you can buy Intel processor, but you cannot buy M1. You can only get M1 with a laptop or a tablet.

Does Intel sell their laptop processors directly to consumers?

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by Nursie »

coder543 wrote: post #67
Nursie wrote: post #51

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Not python, but I have had hiccups with both Go and Java when targetting x86 linux docker images. The Go stuff would make qemu choke when building multiple go binaries in parallel, and the java testcontainers I use had some sort of an issue. In general though, I love my M1 air, but I am sticking to my workstation (5950x, 64GB, debian) for dev work for now.

Why wouldn't you just cross-compile Go programs, instead of compiling them from inside an x86 emulator? CGO?

Being able to control the base platform is sometimes important - in this case the target is aws lambda, and even building on Ubuntu 20.10 we ended up with links to incompatible GlibC library versions compared to the lambda runtime environment.

Quick fix for all of this - whatever platform you run the build on, do it in docker on the exact same base image that lambda uses at runtime.

I know, you’re going to tell me there’s an easy way around this with cross-compilation. But when you already have docker available , quite often everything looks like a nail.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by ActorNightly »

bayindirh wrote: post #83
dividedbyzero wrote: post #45

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I wonder how many of those who got an M1 mac recently are aware of what exactly that means, besides that it's new and fast. I could imagine a large part of those sales to fall into the "I need a new computer, I'll get another Macbook Air" category. Those buyers wouldn't have much reason to care anyway; I guess you'd have to do pretty specialized work to really notice a big difference besides "cool" and "fast".

I'm using an M1 MacBook Air right now. It's more nuanced than speed. That thing's responses are insane. It's an insanely fast computer which wakes up like an iPhone and has an endurance like a vintage, entry level Nokia phone. It's ready to work before I finish opening up the screen and, they forgot to tell the battery that it needs to deplete after some time. It doesn't matter for ordinary people to know all the coo…

> Because we the devs & admins know the nature of the beast,

I would not lump all devs under 1 group. While the technological aspects of M1 are impressive, the compatibility issues and Apple "being Apple" for lack of a better word are significant enough for some of us to steer clear away. My work issued MBP just doesn't recognize the external display 80% of the time without me having to plug and replug it or usbc hub back in, and the fact that its an issue is simply unnacceptable when my 5 year old Dell, running Linux, has no issues.

Especially for the devs that use desktops on a regular basis, as the speed that you talk of is something that we have had for the past 3-4 years.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by Vvector »

yoz-y wrote: post #11
andy_ppp wrote: post #3

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I think they are so good at building CPUs that fit their designs why do they need to rely on AMD keeping pace with them? I bet you Apple increase performance 20%+ per year for a decade while at some point AMD will slow down their improvements. Never mind the whole issue with heat and battery life where AMD is miles behind.

> Never mind the whole issue with heat and battery life where AMD is miles behind. That's just false. AMDs newer U models have TDP and performance per watt at the same level as the M1. Apple has other advantages with the M1 (like running iOS programs, more optimised for their software and so on), so they still benefit from having their own chips. M1 is great, but it's not magic.

AMD Ryzen 7 5800U - 15/25 watts TDP

Apple M1 - 10 watts TDP

If the numbers are accurate, then it is close. However, each company measures TDP in different ways. Plus AMD can boost to 30W for short periods of time. Obviously the boost is good when you need it. The big question, how does this affect battery consumption?

That said, AMD's biggest issue is supply. I don't know if it is supply issues from TSMC, or component issues with the OEMs. But it is nearly impossible to buy a 5800u.

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