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Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by nobleach »

deergomoo wrote: post #31
dkarp wrote: post #13

M1 is amazing and I bought my partner one and she loves it. However, when it came to buying a new engineer on our team a laptop, we had to go with the last 2020 Intel model. We still have some uncertainty over whether or not our development tools/environment will work on M1. Many python packages will take longer to install I imagine (if there are no wheels for the M1 mac, not sure if that's an issue) and I suspect so…

I don't have any Python experience but Docker has been a mixed bag but mostly fine. ARM-native images are 100% fine, and x86 images are surprisingly usable via emulation (albeit considerably slower). During the technical preview stage some x86 images simply didn't work at all (MySQL being a big one that springs to mind). However, I've just checked it in the stable release and it's working now. Not sure if there's sti…

That's good news. I was having trouble with some MySQL images using the Docker Preview. I have installed the final version but frankly, I never use that machine unless I have to test something in Safari. I just can't stand having to always remember what arch I need to use for a particular tool. (I do have an alias that opens another terminal in "emulate x64 mode" but, that's annoying too"). I think in a few years, when there are more toolchains built out, the ecosystem may be more attractive to me.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by samkim »

dkarp wrote: post #13

M1 is amazing and I bought my partner one and she loves it. However, when it came to buying a new engineer on our team a laptop, we had to go with the last 2020 Intel model. We still have some uncertainty over whether or not our development tools/environment will work on M1. Many python packages will take longer to install I imagine (if there are no wheels for the M1 mac, not sure if that's an issue) and I suspect so…

I've recently gone through the process of getting our stack, which includes python, go, and docker, running on an M1. Docker for Mac only recently released M1 support but it runs well enough. We upgraded to Python 3.9 to incorporate some M1 compatibility updates as well.

Overall, developing on the M1 Macbook Pro has been great so far.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by twobitshifter »

emsy wrote: post #20

I will miss the Intel Macbooks. I use a 2013 Macbook with Bootcamp for freelance work. It's close to perfect. I don't want to maintain 2 laptops for Mac/Windows work. If I could work on an ipad I could imagine having an ipad and a Windows machine but currently my next setup will be worse due to "progress". Am I using it wrong?

For the M1 you can now use windows for ARM.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by twobitshifter »

imwillofficial wrote: post #50

I’ve had a pet theory that the company has spread its wings after Jonny Ive left. More practical designs Thicker, more performing machines Higher quality and durability at the cost of thickness Colors again?! It’s possible, perhaps even likely that this was planned before Ives departure. But we are seeing a massive sea shift in the way Apple designs their gear. The old mantra was “thin and light before all else” Now…

I think yesterday’s iMac shows that they haven’t given up on thinness.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by agloeregrets »

dkarp wrote: post #13

M1 is amazing and I bought my partner one and she loves it. However, when it came to buying a new engineer on our team a laptop, we had to go with the last 2020 Intel model. We still have some uncertainty over whether or not our development tools/environment will work on M1. Many python packages will take longer to install I imagine (if there are no wheels for the M1 mac, not sure if that's an issue) and I suspect so…

So I'm not using docker or Python so my opinion isn't so worthwhile but I would say you made the right choice for right now.

I have an M1 Air and ended up listing my iMac I use for work as the Air was just wholely faster for my tasks. For the average dev, I think there's a weird hap right now of "M1 now vs M1X/M2". It's getting later in the cycle and while M1 support has greatly gotten better, it's now closer to new models with drastic changes.

Now in my use (TS/Node), the M1 in native Node is unbelievable, it's twice as fast as Intel machines. But that's my use case.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by dkarp »

pdpi wrote: post #33
oblio wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, even if M1 would have been middling, Apple would have still migrated everyone forcefully :-)

Eventually, at some point, begrudgingly. People held on to their 2015 15" MBPs for as long as they could because they didn't like the upgrade paths. The 16" was well received and helped fix that. The M1 laptops were incredibly well received and people are excitedly jumping on them instead of feeling forced.

*are holding onto

My 2015 MBP is still going strong and Apple support were even pretty great at helping when I did have one issue, even though they classify it as Vintage. But you're totally right, I'm really impressed by the M1 and am just holding out for the M1X to upgrade.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by coder543 »

Nursie wrote: post #51
dkarp wrote: post #13

M1 is amazing and I bought my partner one and she loves it. However, when it came to buying a new engineer on our team a laptop, we had to go with the last 2020 Intel model. We still have some uncertainty over whether or not our development tools/environment will work on M1. Many python packages will take longer to install I imagine (if there are no wheels for the M1 mac, not sure if that's an issue) and I suspect so…

Not python, but I have had hiccups with both Go and Java when targetting x86 linux docker images. The Go stuff would make qemu choke when building multiple go binaries in parallel, and the java testcontainers I use had some sort of an issue. In general though, I love my M1 air, but I am sticking to my workstation (5950x, 64GB, debian) for dev work for now.

Why wouldn't you just cross-compile Go programs, instead of compiling them from inside an x86 emulator? CGO?

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by mark_l_watson »

brink wrote: post #49
dkarp wrote: post #13

M1 is amazing and I bought my partner one and she loves it. However, when it came to buying a new engineer on our team a laptop, we had to go with the last 2020 Intel model. We still have some uncertainty over whether or not our development tools/environment will work on M1. Many python packages will take longer to install I imagine (if there are no wheels for the M1 mac, not sure if that's an issue) and I suspect so…

As an engineer on an M1, I have to say you made the right choice. Half the stuff that I try to work on is just straight up broken, especially Python/AI related tools. I have to switch to my Linux laptop regularly to get anything done. I've wasted days just trying to get certain dev tools working.

I have hit the same problems with Python deep learning tools. Apple’s version of TensorFlow was an OK start. If you like conda, they now have pretty good support for M1. I have the usual Docker problems, and I don’t think that they will get sorted until many more pre-built containers are also built for ARM.

That said, I love my M1 MacBook Pro and for now I don’t mind too much keeping my old MacBook nearby.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by chrisseaton »

izacus wrote: post #4

You mean people aren't going to buy hardware that its manufacturer explicitly said they're not going to be building and supporting much further? The same manufacturer that's known for dropping macOS support on perfectly capable older hardware without backwards compatibility? Color us surprised!

> The same manufacturer that's known for dropping macOS support

Eh? Latest macOS runs on hardware from as far back as 2013.

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