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US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by ern »

kergonath wrote: post #67
katbyte wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on what that situation is?

Mask early, serious lockdown as soon as it becomes serious, and don’t end lockdowns before numbers are way low. We masked late, put lockdowns in place late if at all, and ended them way too early, which means that some countries went through several ones. And we’re not through yet. That said, I don’t share the optimism of the parent poster. This would be a heavy burden in terms of freedom and human rights for a resul…

I am curious about this “pro-lockdown, pro-mask” advice from ethe WHO.

I am almost certain that they took a long time to recommend masking. I also am fairly confident that the WHO was/is opposed to lockdowns and it certainly still opposes travel restrictions.

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Post by elif »

garrettgrimsley wrote: post #104
elif wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In modern discourse we use the acronym CPC rather than CCP. Unless of course you are intentionally invoking red scare era politics. Edit: ah rip karma. who was I kidding. Why would you ever promote neutral discourse when you can take sides.

“commonly known as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Party

being "commonly used" is not the same thing as being the "correct uncharged verbiage."

For an example, there are many similarly charged terms "commonly used" to identify geographic areas surrounding Israel, but in modern discourse we use "Occupied Palestinian Territory" since 1999.

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Post by the8472 »

renewiltord wrote: post #112
the8472 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> If the Western world would have done what the WHO advised at the time, we all more or less would have a COVID stuation like the Chinese have for some time. > Mask early Are we living in the same timeline? https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1243972193169616898 https://twitter.com/UNGeneva/status/1244661916535930886 https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1234095938555260929 https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1234871709091667969 htt…

Thank you for putting this stuff together. In the past, I did the same when people asked for "source?" for things like "Fauci and the HHS recommended against masking". After I go through the painful process of reacquiring each of the sources, these people disappear. "Source?" is now the dual of the Gish Gallop strategy. It is a meta-rhetorical strategy to amplify work done by some perceived "opponent". After all, for…

I'll give credit to the WHO for not deleting their tweets. It would be even better if they offered a mea culpa explaining how they came to this position that was incorrect in hindsight. But not just disappearing things already is better than some others do.

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Post by lrem »

underseacables wrote: post #108

It will take generations before China will recover from the Wuhan virus outbreak. However it happened, because of the CCP suppressing facts, people, and information, the harm to any credibility the Chinese government had is gone for some time. This could have been the China century, but for generations there will always be that doubt.

Doesn't China need relatively the least recovery from this?

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Post by mhh__ »

Udik wrote: post #98
ttz wrote: post #53

First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

> Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party Seems this holds true for every government and party.

Air Pistols and machine guns are both guns, which one are you taking your chance against?

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Post by getpolarized »

ttz wrote: post #53

First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

Do we / did we even have the tech co be able to build this in a lab? I don't think we do.

It MIGHT have been possible but Occam's Razor says it's more plausible it evolved naturally and just jumped species.

FAR FAR FAR more plausible.

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by foolmeonce »

zepto wrote: post #128
foolmeonce wrote: post #114

I think the WHO did a fine job of writing it up. The US motive for proving China is at fault is largely political diversion from the US' mishandling, which would be mishandling no matter what origin. That China blocked the Who's efforts and the WHO disclosed this is more relevant to future health policy than where this particular outbreak started. (Do we really want the public health system to tune to this specific s…

> The US motive for proving China is at fault is largely political diversion from the US' mishandling, which would be mishandling no matter what origin. Whether this is motivation is true or not has nothing to do with whether the WHO report reflects reality.

The WHO disclosed they were blocked. You can infer a bayesian for a lab release of this specific virus. Now what does that change about the next pandemic?

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Post by kergonath »

xupybd wrote: post #88
Frost1x wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But even then, it is better to have them within, collaborating on their terms, than to leave them outside, in which case it would be even harder to get any information out of them. I tend to agree with this sentiment, however I'm always on the fence as to if acting on no new information is better than acting on false or misleading information. If you can't trust the source the data is almost worthless. Anyways, that…

The problem is that the WHO appears to have more legitimacy and authority than they do. I have no problem with the WHO existing and doing their job but we have to accept they are bound by international politics. In developed countries we should rely on local medical bodies first.

That is definitely a problem; it tends to be seen either as the saviour of humanity or as a globalist evil. It is not perfect and not a substitute for proper public health policies.

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Post by pessimizer »

throwaway4good wrote: post #33

Boo. The Americans need to shut up or actual provide evidence for their outrageous claim that the virus escaped from a lab.

Why would you think that we would have to do that? It's only people who are being threatened that have to talk their way out of it. It's not only easy to casually threaten China, it's required to avoid charges of being a secret agent sent to destroy American unity.

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Post by elif »

alisonatwork wrote: post #126
elif wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In modern discourse we use the acronym CPC rather than CCP. Unless of course you are intentionally invoking red scare era politics. Edit: ah rip karma. who was I kidding. Why would you ever promote neutral discourse when you can take sides.

I find this a really fascinating instance of micro-propaganda. CCP could evoke associations with "CCCP", but CPC might remind Americans of the Congressional Progressive Caucus or Canadians of the Conservative Party of Canada. It could be that neither acronym is especially neutral, not after surfacing the accusation that using one is implicitly biased. I have to admit to having used both acronyms in the past, but it w…

It is not "my choice" of a three letter acronym.

It is the party's choice for its English language representation.

I'm not making any political statements here. I am suggesting that we use common nomenclature while pointing out a hazard of a specific instance of dated terminology.

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