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As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by raxxorrax »

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

I enjoy this very much. I believe in giving the audience the choice to determine that for themselves, you seem to prefer the paternalistic approach we had in the past.

> attitude is harmful

I disagree completely.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by raxxorrax »

happytoexplain wrote: post #17
dilyevsky wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ymmv but for myself I prefer not to have my hand held entire life and explained “the one true way” I’m supposed to think. There’s a ton of programming out there that already does this (for your personal definition of “the one true way”)

I'm not sure declining to invite Alex Jones onto one's platform would qualify as forcing one's definition of "the one true way" on others. That's kind of an over-deep reading of that person's character.

But it also doesn't hurt to have him, you don't need to buy his man pills. To declare him dangerous is rather counter-productive. Especially since there are alternatives for that where you never need to see him. So what exactly is the problem?

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by rv-de »

I don't like him moving to Spotify. With regard to idealism I think Vimeo f.x. would have been cool. But just practically speaking - originally the show might be a podcast but I nonetheless need the video with the audio to enjoy it. Also the interviews are way too long for me to sit them through which is why I liked the JRE Clips Channel.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by raxxorrax »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #5

Freedom of speech isn't freedom from criticism. Calling criticism "liberal backlash" is just using name calling instead of actually disputing those criticisms. If I say "Joe Rogan is a bit of a hack IMO", that isn't the same thing as "there is growing backlash to Joe Rogan from the hn liberal tech elite."

Deplatforming isn't criticism.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by koolba »

happytoexplain wrote: post #17
dilyevsky wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ymmv but for myself I prefer not to have my hand held entire life and explained “the one true way” I’m supposed to think. There’s a ton of programming out there that already does this (for your personal definition of “the one true way”)

I'm not sure declining to invite Alex Jones onto one's platform would qualify as forcing one's definition of "the one true way" on others. That's kind of an over-deep reading of that person's character.

They've been friends for over 20 years. The format of his show is a group of friends having an extended discussion. And love him or hate him, Alex Jones is one of the most interesting people on this planet. It'd be a disservice to his listeners to not invite him on the show.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by me_me_me »

doopy1 wrote: post #72

I like the JRE podcast a lot, but I come for the guests. Joe Rogan is an entertainer and taking what he says on the podcast as authoritative "news" is poor judgement.

Well he agrees with you, I remember him saying the exact thing about himself.

Something along the lines:

> I am a moron and you shouldn't trust anything I say, I am a comedian having fun talking to people

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by raxxorrax »

vannevar wrote: post #49
Scalestein wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who decides what counts as a quack? One of the things I find compelling about the format of the show is that the long format really exposes people, for better or worse. If you want to find out whether Alex Jones is a quack there is probably no better evidence than watching his appearance on Rogan's podcast. Same is true for Milo Yiannopoulos (often deemed an alt-right troll) who basically had his career wrecked from…

No doubt, you can draw the line at different points. And obviously, in terms of audience and profit, Joe has found a sweet spot, with enough crazy people to be interesting but not so crazy as to make it a nonstop freak show. My point was that there's a wide band there, and that simply excluding a guest whose beliefs are demonstrably incorrect or morally reprehensible is not the same as pushing a single orthodox belie…

How about you just skip those episodes? I cannot understand your form of reasoning at all. You are morally reprehensible if you think your standards of acceptance should be used as a template.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by donmcronald »

mikewarot wrote: post #89
donmcronald wrote: post #42

I’ve never really watched Joe Rogan and haven’t followed the current controversy, but I was surprised when Spotify signed his big deal because I knew enough to know he was polarizing. Did Spotify know what they were buying?

How did you know he was polarizing? Did you know why? Did you care? When someone gets labeled "polarizing" I tend to check it out and decide for myself, because those are the people with the most interesting ideas.

The only thing you really need to do to be polarizing these days is bring up any topic that’s been politicized. I guess it would be more accurate to say his show covers polarizing topics.

Even though I don’t watch his show I’ve seen enough internet fights about it that I know it’s not easy, safe, PC content.

You seem to think I was saying he’s bad or something, which I wasn’t.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by UncleMeat »

manigandham wrote: post #34
Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

Do you instantly know the truth in every conversation? Do you argue every point or do you let the topics flow naturally? Joe Rogan is no different. He's not an interviewer but just a guy who has long conversations. That's why many guests are his close friends, and also why people are eager to be guests in the first place and talk for hours. The long-form uncritical nature is what made the show popular and gives you a…

But he chooses his guests. You can’t say he exercises no editorial control over the content of the show because he just lets the conversation flow. He chose to have Alex Jones on.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by cwhiz »

Joe is not extreme enough. If you aren’t a far left progressive, you’ll hear, see, and feel the rage from these people on the internet.

Joe reminds me that most of America is not the people who foam at the mouth on the internet constantly. No, most of America is not extreme. You just won’t find these people on the internet defending their views because it’s too exhausting to ignore with an angry horde.

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