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Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Post by ziddoap »

dgudkov wrote: post #79
ziddoap wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of what Apple is doing, and am happy to see it be tested in court. But, I'm not a fan of another multi-million dollar company making such a blatant appeal to emotion, as if Fortnite needs to be "freed", to the common person who has no concept of how nuanced the legalities of this entire thing are. I'll be happy when the theatrics are over with, and we can simply view the outcome of the legal precedent t…

That's correct, Epic's not altruistic here. But who else would be able to fight Apple's lawyers if not another multi-million dollar company?

If they did so without overtly manipulating people via appeal to emotion and over-simplification, and not attempting to simultaneously run a PR campaign designed to whip people into a social media frenzy, I would not have the dirty taste in my mouth.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Post by wvenable »

newbie578 wrote: post #127
wvenable wrote: post #99

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I don't think Epic has that much influence. If I were Apple's PR team, I think I'd just completely ignore them. Treat them as utterly and completely irrelevant. Personally I think Apple's 30% cut is ridiculous and the fact that there is zero market pressure on that them to price it appropriately should mean something. But at the same time I'm not sure Epic has any legal leg to stand on.

And that is exactly why you are not Apple's PR team. I understand your POW and I would have shared it also if not for the kids in the house where you can actually see how dominating Epic is. There is a whole sub-culture around Fortnite, it expands from just playing a simple game on your iPad to being a way of communication on TikTok (e.g. dance moves). And you bet that when those little kids start whining to their pa…

I play Fortnite and my kids play Fortnite and I still don't think it's that dominating. Kids have plenty of outlets and Fortnite is one of many. But even if I agree what, exactly, is Apple going to be able to say or do? What response could they possibly have that would placate children?

It's better to not fuel the flames.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Post by Johnjonjoan »

spzb wrote: post #129
Johnjonjoan wrote: post #121

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Until there's an update.

It downloaded a 1.4 gig update when I opened it

Interesting. Does your ability to download past updates mean you'll be able to download future ones though?

There's no doubt in my mind epic are using the they are stopping you playing argument - they literally say in the advert it's been blocked from a billion devices.

I mean if that statement is technically not true then don't you think it's propoganda?

Edit: I shouldn't have said technically not true but that they are being very economical with the truth.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Post by beaner »

qtXJ9EM wrote: post #124
beaner wrote: post #20

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> Apple is providing the platform that enables Epic to distribute their game for FREE to a billion+ users. Why shouldn't they take a cut from the in-app purchase monetization? Then they should charge the developer for install costs + profit, not charge for all transactions happening in the game that have nothing to do with Apple and impose no cost on them . That's retarded. It's like a landlord taking 30% of sales fr…

This literally exists and is commonplace in commercial real estate. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/percentage-lease.asp

I'm not surprised! It seems like a reasonable option for those who have no initial capital to pay for their lease.

But for those who come with capital ready, it can be a horrible deal. Being made to accept that option when you don't need it means you end up wasting much more money than you otherwise would.

Same happens in the app store, in its absence of an option between these methods.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Post by BelleOfTheBall »

darth_avocado wrote: post #95
ziddoap wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of what Apple is doing, and am happy to see it be tested in court. But, I'm not a fan of another multi-million dollar company making such a blatant appeal to emotion, as if Fortnite needs to be "freed", to the common person who has no concept of how nuanced the legalities of this entire thing are. I'll be happy when the theatrics are over with, and we can simply view the outcome of the legal precedent t…

You should take a win when you get one. Yes it's another Billion dollar company going against Apple, but then, who else can actually go against them and not financially ruin themselves? Smaller Indie studios definitely can't

I get their desire to have the fight be a fair one instead of Epic rallying its positively massive fanbase to suddenly start viewing Apple as the bad guy... but I also don't think it'll be that relevant to the court case. Both companies have the best lawyers money can buy, I'm sure they'll be able to throw out any "but think of the fans, look how mad they are" accusations.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Post by onemiketwelve »

DenseComet wrote: post #61
arduinomancer wrote: post #7

The whole strategy here feels pretty unprecedented. Usually these kind of lawsuits happen in the background but Epic seems to be going full force with making it a public campaign. > Apple is blocking your ability to get the latest Fortnite updates! All players should have a choice in payment providers and save up to 20%. Apple wants to limit your payment choices! Join the fight against @AppStore on social with #FreeF…

What does a PR response to something to this look like? This happened late in the work day, does that mean that people stay longer, or is it handed off to a PR team in another timezone? Do executives like Tim Cook play a role in the response? I've never really thought about the PR response and would love to know more about what goes into it.

I have a feeling the lawyers and pr people are staying later and assembling the team right now?

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Post by la_oveja »

Pfhreak wrote: post #38
beaner wrote: post #20

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> Apple is providing the platform that enables Epic to distribute their game for FREE to a billion+ users. Why shouldn't they take a cut from the in-app purchase monetization? Then they should charge the developer for install costs + profit, not charge for all transactions happening in the game that have nothing to do with Apple and impose no cost on them . That's retarded. It's like a landlord taking 30% of sales fr…

Independent of whether I agree with you, you may want to consider finding a better way to express your disapproval than using people with developmental disabilities as an insult.

A retard is not someone with developmental disabilities. It's an insult to denote an unintelligent person.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Post by zem »

yawnr wrote: post #102
ziddoap wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of what Apple is doing, and am happy to see it be tested in court. But, I'm not a fan of another multi-million dollar company making such a blatant appeal to emotion, as if Fortnite needs to be "freed", to the common person who has no concept of how nuanced the legalities of this entire thing are. I'll be happy when the theatrics are over with, and we can simply view the outcome of the legal precedent t…

It’s the same bs that tv networks pull on subscribers when they have disagreements with cable providers over the rates they get paid. They air commercials saying “Verizon is trying to keep you from seeing your favorite shows!!” when they are the ones demanding increases from Verizon et al. Newsflash: neither of the parties are the good guys. It’s all manipulative and a pathetic attempt at portraying themselves as the…

personally, i feel very different when the dispute is "they're charging us too much" versus "they are not paying us enough", though i guess the underlying cause is the same - companies trying to profit out of the fact that they have access to consumers.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Post by onemiketwelve »

m0xte wrote: post #106
freeone3000 wrote: post #83

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Burn it all down. Create a new society formed from mutual aid and non-heirchial power structures. Capitalism is the disease.

Great ideology. Shame we’ll all starve or kill each other on the way and it’ll turn to shit the moment someone is more equal than someone else...

No no no, that's because you didn't burn it down the right way. You just need to fundamentally change human behavior and motivations for it to work. I don't get why this is so hard to understand
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