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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by germinalphrase »

bilbo0s wrote: post #75
RickJWagner wrote: post #69

I'm starting to wonder if we need some formal role for communities in this. Bad cops must be held accountable. But also there must be some way to compel a belligerent person to go along with police (i.e. not resist arrest). Maybe there should be 'community liaisons' or something that would be called out when there is a troublesome situation.

In fairness, part of the idea of using professional cops and not soldiers, was originally that professional cops were from the community and would be better able to interact, or "liaise" with community members. It's just that over the centuries we kind of forgot about that part. In the US we moved to the current system where many of the police may not even live in the communities they serve. Heck, they may not even l…

Minneapolis removed residency requirements for police officers a while back. Now, less than 10 % of our police force lives within the minneapolis city limits. There is a lot of discussion happening about the cultural ramifications of this.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by alexilliamson »

eternalban wrote: post #108
fsloth wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hardly inescapable. Police in the nordic countries acts and behaves more or less as a service branch of the government rather as a bully. But they have several years of training whereas US has only - what, a few months? I would say it's about skimping costs in the wrong place. US system is weird that in it's local search of frugal solutions it creates inefficient systems (like the medical sector).

US police have been receiving advanced training in Israel. The changes in tactics, gear, are all part of this training. This incident in MN with United States citizens getting shot at on their own porch is a much milder form of thuggery — it was not legal application of force — that Palestinians have been living with for decades. Karma. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joint-us-israel-police-...

What in the world. I had no idea. How did you learn about this?

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by germinalphrase »

scarface74 wrote: post #6

Always share the video on social media. Don’t trust the cops or any part of the justice system to do the right thing.

I’ve been hearing from people I know who have been participating in nighttime protests/property protection that social media posts on Snapchat/Facebook/reddit are disappearing or seeing significant posting delays. I can’t confirm it personally, but the social media chatter last night was significantly lower than previous nights (though - to be fair - the Minneapolis streets did start clearing out around 11-12).

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by dennis_jeeves »

StellarTabi wrote: post #11

It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. Safety is important, protesters (and even journalists...) have been livestreaming themselves innocently doing nothing (in contrast to other media's hyper-focusing on "looting") then getting shot with rubber bullets. One of them reportedly has permanent blindness in the left eye as a result. Police b…

>It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves.

Excellent comment. But generally speaking people deserve the police they get, just like they get the govt. they deserve.

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Post by seaknoll »

scarface74 wrote: post #15
samdamsamm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

Middle America knows that police target minorities - they just don’t care.

I think that's an extremely unhelpful oversimplification. There isn't some subset of humans (as a high enough percentage of the population to be considered) that's simply missing empathy. At least in their own minds they are good people, so that's where they have to be met.

So IMO we need to start by assuming that they DO care, but they have different assumptions about the difficulty and danger of police work. They live in safe communities and go into cities and see poverty and homelessness, mental illness on the streets, read about the gun crime, and think that it's scary. They're not entirely wrong.

Where they ARE wrong is in failing to realize how often police officers are the ones to create violent situations. Why did they use force over a counterfeit bill? Why would they bust into someone's apartment in the middle of the night over a drug charge? Unless there is an in-the-moment violent situation going on, they should not be entitled to use force. They should be required to wait, plan, and deescalate. The last thing they should be allowed to do is play out their masturbatory fantasy on the public. If that makes police work more boring, so be it.

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Post by rayiner »

ficklepickle wrote: post #119
rayiner wrote: post #91

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The reason why it’s particularly bad in the US is that we’ve got insanely high levels of violent and organized crime. Baltimore, where I used to live, the homicide rate per 100,000 people is 30-50 times higher than in say Berlin, Madrid, London, etc. It’s almost double the rate of Bogota. That creates a police force that treats policing like its war, and public systems that give wide latitude to errors or misconduct,…

Cause or effect? I would argue that the warrior cop mentality escalates violence. That style of police training was banned by the mayor in Minneapolis, yet it continues to be taught and implemented. You have a very sick society and until you realize it is not all the fault of one group it will persist.

I think it’s a cause, not an effect, because the US has always had very high levels of violence compared to Europe, long before we even had professional police forces and formal police training. It’s definitely not the fault of any one group, though, because the problem has been widespread across various times and various groups.

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Post by eternalban »

alexilliamson wrote: post #132
eternalban wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US police have been receiving advanced training in Israel. The changes in tactics, gear, are all part of this training. This incident in MN with United States citizens getting shot at on their own porch is a much milder form of thuggery — it was not legal application of force — that Palestinians have been living with for decades. Karma. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joint-us-israel-police-...

What in the world. I had no idea. How did you learn about this?

This has been covered fairly extensively in alternative press over the years.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

threatofrain wrote: post #109
eyelidlessness wrote: post #106

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> The police don't target racial minorities because they are racist. This is false. There is a long history of police membership in, involvement and collaboration with explicitly racist groups.

Racism is in all our hearts — what’s important is in developing calm relations with your own strengths and weaknesses so that you can work on yourself if you choose. Embracing this human weakness is part of developing the structures to keep us accountable.

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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by xphilter »

Mirioron wrote: post #120
xphilter wrote: post #102

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Where? Do you have a link? Let’s assume that’s true, that a crime was committed across the country. Does that give this group of law enforcement to shoot ltl rounds at unarmed people on private property and in compliance with the law? I don’t understand your reasoning.

I disagree with the parent poster, but a Federal Protective Service member was killed last night in Oakland: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/federal-officer-killed-in-shoot... I did read that they're unsure whether it was related to the protests though.

Wow, thanks for posting. That’s really unfortunate and I hope they find who murdered the guard.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by germinalphrase »

Mirioron wrote: post #120
xphilter wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where? Do you have a link? Let’s assume that’s true, that a crime was committed across the country. Does that give this group of law enforcement to shoot ltl rounds at unarmed people on private property and in compliance with the law? I don’t understand your reasoning.

I disagree with the parent poster, but a Federal Protective Service member was killed last night in Oakland: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/federal-officer-killed-in-shoot... I did read that they're unsure whether it was related to the protests though.

One police officer was shot at in Minneapolis (14th and Lake if anyone’s local). They missed and were quickly taken down. The weapon was recovered.
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