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Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by ilovepeppapig »

ChrisCinelli wrote: post #67

I did not work for Apple but this article describes exactly what I was thinking. Apple has very waterfall cycle. Everything is planned year after year to be released for the September event. When the deadline approach teams realized that are behind and they need to overwork. And when people get tired and under pressure, they usually introduce even more bugs. The article also nails the solution: a more Agile workflow.…

"Agile" is only about software and it doesn't always work even for tiny projects. Apple's products are so much more than this. Distribution, marketing, manufacturing, support etc.

You can't delay a new iPhone release because it's imperfect. They make phones to make money, and they are very good at it.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by mtgx »

jwr wrote: post #104

I have a slightly different take on this. I think every company should dedicate a certain percentage of their revenue to handling bug reports from users. Yes, many bug reports will be bogus, but many will be pure gold (I speak from experience). Yes, it involves a lot of manual work. But it is so incredibly worth it — you get to catch the odd bugs that you will never catch with automated or in-house testing. In contra…

It's basically why Windows 10 is also so much buggier than previous versions: Nadella cut a good portion of Microsoft's Q&A team.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by snowwrestler »

yankcrime wrote: post #128
alwillis wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every .0 release for iOS and OSX has been buggy. Every single one. I've run and tested every release going back to 2001 and it's been a while since a macOS release has been this buggy and caused serious data loss in some cases. So even for .0 release, this has been pretty bad.

There was the data-loss bug that plagued the Snow Leopard release.

And Snow Leopard was supposed to be a feature-light release to improve quality!

It eventually was very solid and is well-regraded today. But yeah, it’s a great example of the risk of the OSX.0 release.

Personally I try to wait until version ~4 of anything Apple. I’ve been very happy following this strategy.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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sbuk wrote: post #72
Razengan wrote: post #17

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I'm on the second-latest MacBook Pro. I completely erased my disk and installed a fresh copy of Catalina when it was released. It's been patched with the post-release update. Almost all settings are at their recommended defaults, there is no third-party stuff that modifies system behavior, and I mostly only use Apple's own apps and services for stuff like music, books, cloud, mail etc. And boy yes there are bugs. Not…

The public beta, code named Kodiak was awful. As were, 10.0 (Cheetah), 10.1 (Puma), 10.2 (Jaguar) and 10.3 (Panther). 10.4 (Tiger) was initially terrible, but did improve massively. 10.5 (Lion) was comparatively awful and quite jarring with it’s nit insignificant UI overhaul... The point I’m making is that there is an awful lot of looking back with rose tinted glasses going on. It happens every time there is a new re…

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Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by Mindwipe »

jwr wrote: post #104

I have a slightly different take on this. I think every company should dedicate a certain percentage of their revenue to handling bug reports from users. Yes, many bug reports will be bogus, but many will be pure gold (I speak from experience). Yes, it involves a lot of manual work. But it is so incredibly worth it — you get to catch the odd bugs that you will never catch with automated or in-house testing. In contra…

If Apple spent more than $11 dollars on documentation they also might not be in the situation they're currently in.

So much of what happened in Catalina is just flat out not written down in the Developer Documentation. Apple's documentation has been waning for a while, but it's fallen off a cliff in the last eighteen months.

It's impossible to believe that's not having an impact on external software quality, and it's difficult to believe it isn't having an impact on Apple's own applications too.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by Mindwipe »

cmroanirgo wrote: post #123
NobodyNada wrote: post #62

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Safari 13 is supported on Mojave. You can install it in System Preferences->Software Updates (there's a link that says "more updates" or "other updates" or something along those lines).

I have Safari 13 on High Sierra

Indeed (and unfortunately given the extension changes), but leaving an out of date browser is non-negotiable.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by Mindwipe »

nihahs wrote: post #90
saagarjha wrote: post #61

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> Well, it is if you run Mojave, as you need to upgrade the entire system to get Safari 13. You don't; Safari 13 runs on macOS Mojave (and macOS High Sierra, if you're still using that).

I'm using High Sierra 10.13.6 (17G5019)and I don't have an update for Safari 13

> I'm using High Sierra 10.13.6 (17G5019)and I don't have an update for Safari 13

I do (I won't upgrade past High Sierra on an older iMac as it breaks text rendering on it's non-retina screen so badly).

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