Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy • Hacker News Board

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by saagarjha » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:50 AM UTC

tobr wrote: post #55

Tangentially related: GitHub has already dropped support for Mojave. The whole site is now broken in Safari 12 because it’s no longer the “current” version of the browser. Well, it is if you run Mojave, as you need to upgrade the entire system to get Safari 13. I can understand not developing new features for Safari 12, but speaking of regressions, why would you go break things that used to work a week ago?

> Well, it is if you run Mojave, as you need to upgrade the entire system to get Safari 13.

You don't; Safari 13 runs on macOS Mojave (and macOS High Sierra, if you're still using that).

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by NobodyNada » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:50 AM UTC

tobr wrote: post #55

Tangentially related: GitHub has already dropped support for Mojave. The whole site is now broken in Safari 12 because it’s no longer the “current” version of the browser. Well, it is if you run Mojave, as you need to upgrade the entire system to get Safari 13. I can understand not developing new features for Safari 12, but speaking of regressions, why would you go break things that used to work a week ago?

Safari 13 is supported on Mojave. You can install it in System Preferences->Software Updates (there's a link that says "more updates" or "other updates" or something along those lines).

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by envolt » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:51 AM UTC

> apart from a few specific areas, Apple doesn’t do a lot of automated testing. Apple is highly reliant on manual testing, probably too much so.

That's the last thing I expected to know about such a big company.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by mattbillenstein » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:56 AM UTC

devinegan wrote: post #14

mattbillenstein wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go refill your koolaid please.

Your bias appears to be showing as well.

Oh please, the hardware, the software, the frequency of updates -- it's all been crap on the laptops and desktop type hardware for years now...

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by greggman2 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 6:01 AM UTC

tvOS 13 seems to also be buggy. After the update I can no longer wake it via HDMI/CEC. Once I wake it some other (inconvenient) way then HDMI/CEC control works. Wake up was working on tvOS 12

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by comex » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 6:02 AM UTC

rnantes wrote: post #39

iOS 13 has been pretty much flawless for me. However, I am waiting to update to Catalina until 2020 because support for 32 bit apps and OpenGL has been pulled.

Catalina does not drop support for OpenGL.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by ChrisCinelli » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 6:02 AM UTC

I did not work for Apple but this article describes exactly what I was thinking.

Apple has very waterfall cycle. Everything is planned year after year to be released for the September event. When the deadline approach teams realized that are behind and they need to overwork. And when people get tired and under pressure, they usually introduce even more bugs.

The article also nails the solution: a more Agile workflow. But it ain't gonna happen: "Apple could address this scheduling problem by not packing so many features into each release, but that’s just not the company culture."

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by SighDucks » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 6:05 AM UTC

odkamkfn wrote: post #22

Razengan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on the second-latest MacBook Pro. I completely erased my disk and installed a fresh copy of Catalina when it was released. It's been patched with the post-release update. Almost all settings are at their recommended defaults, there is no third-party stuff that modifies system behavior, and I mostly only use Apple's own apps and services for stuff like music, books, cloud, mail etc. And boy yes there are bugs. Not…

So... what are the bugs?

Audio occasionally ceases to work if it has been muted. Or if a bluetooth headset had been previously paired.

Reboot resolves the issue.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by greggman2 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 6:06 AM UTC

rnantes wrote: post #39

iOS 13 has been pretty much flawless for me. However, I am waiting to update to Catalina until 2020 because support for 32 bit apps and OpenGL has been pulled.

OpenGL has not been pulled, only deprecated. Same as before.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by ChrisCinelli » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 6:09 AM UTC

manojlds wrote: post #20

Razengan wrote: post #5

I can only surmise (hope) that their resources are diverted towards Something Big. Could be ARM macOS and/or AR glasses. Not that this excuses the bugginess of their current core products. Bringing up comparisons to Steve Jobs must be the tech equivalent of Godwin's Law, but if there was one thing about him, it's that he actually was a user of his own products, like us. It feels like there's no one at Apple (or other…

With their culture, something big will be worked on by a relatively small team in total secrecy. The team, in name of secrecy, will repeat the same mistakes that some other teams are fixing elsewhere.

Secrecy inside a company may help a team to focus on only one thing but it also prevents people from understanding the "big picture" and unless there is a special process for "sharing lessons learned", people repeats the same mistakes over and over. It is a little sad.