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Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by repolfx »

valueprop wrote: post #111
ronnier wrote: post #35

The world is changing rapidly. The magic year of 2012 is when Tinder was release and then grew rapidly. Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice), they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. In gener…

To make an analogy: a singer artist in his town used to be 'good enough'. Now he competes with YouTube and tours from 'alpha' artists in nearby cities. So yeah, women can pick adventures with alpha males (especially considering looks) instead of a long term relationship with the average guy. This leaves almost nothing (ok-ish) for the average guy. What's an average guy supposed to do? I'm genuinely interested in answ…

Have fun with older women who got past their teeny screamy phase, whilst learning how to be charming, interesting and good conversation. Steadily improve your looks and build up a career. Then by the time the average man reaches thirty he'll find he can easily compete with YouTube singers if he really wants to date 20 year olds, but also women his own age or older too.

Worked for me. Yes young men struggle to date young women, but wasn't it always like that? Women respond to age and age signals in the reverse way to men.

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by repolfx »

throwaway87378 wrote: post #118
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> " I have never heard anyone say that male birth should be limited, but it obviously should… we can steer ourselves towards a population with a predominance of females, and those females should have only one child, and 75% of those children should also be female. " Yikes. So how does this mesh with the idea that the modern left is about gender equality? That's pretty much naked eugenics and this individual does not…

There is no such thing as the "modern left," except as a straw-man used by various people in US corporate television and radio. Mary Daly was a Catholic professor of theology and prominent second-wave feminist in the late 1960s/1970s, and according to her "If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in…

There obviously is a modern left and feminism is a central tenet of it. The fact that feminism has been riddled with violence, man hating and calls for androcide from the start is taboo to discuss today because feminists will respond in the way you'd expect: meltdown followed by an attempt to destroy the "men's right activist" who pointed it out.

Even in the comment above you can see someone has been conditioned to think that men caring about their own rights is somehow "mysoginist" when the truth is MRAs are concerned with things like false accusations, equal rights, fair treatment in family courts and many other important issues. And some MRAs are female, just like some feminists are male.

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by username90 »

EliRivers wrote: post #65
ronnier wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Study after study show that women rate the majority of men as unattractive whereas the scale is pretty balanced for men’s views of women attractiveness. In general, there’s no longer social or religious pressure for people to pair off so women flat out don’t pick those unattractive men. Women are the selectors. Men tend to take whatever they can get.

I see unattractive men getting married every day.

Marriage prospects has very little to do with dating prospects. The reason is that men want more casual sex on population levels so relatively few attractive men can supply most women leaving the rest out, but for marriage each man gets paired with one woman forcing women to settle with "unattractive men".

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by username90 »

EliRivers wrote: post #72
ronnier wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a generality, not a solid rule. The statics show this.

So there's no reason for any one individual to look at these statistics and from them deduce that there's no point even trying? If they're just generalities and unattractive men routinely beat these odds, anyone choosing to drop out of the market has only themself to blame. SF; where people can be convinced they'll beat incredible odds and become tech millionaires (billionaires), but give up on dating because the odd…

Men typically don't date to find a marriage partner, they date to get sex. Saying that unattractive men have good chances to find a wife doesn't solve the problem unattractive men have getting casual sex. There are of course some men who date to find a wife and most men will do that at some point in their lives, but they are drowned out by all the men desperate for sex.

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by username90 »

MrsPeaches wrote: post #66
ronnier wrote: post #35

The world is changing rapidly. The magic year of 2012 is when Tinder was release and then grew rapidly. Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice), they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. In gener…

This doesn’t stand up to even the most basic analysis. Just look at attractiveness ratings between sexes and races[1]. White men are consistently rated as the most attractive, with black women faring least well. Genuine question: why are the people who subscribe to this world view predominantly white men? [1] https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-10...

That doesn't compare over sexes, you see each category adds up to 0% so it is just relative advantage/disadvantage. So it says omen rate white men higher than other men but doesn't say anything at all about how they rate average men compared to how men rate average women.

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by shademaan »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #28
buboard wrote: post #25

What an interesting X-Ray of the sexual marketplace in the graph. Apparently young men have less than half infections as women (i.e. less than half sexual partners than women do - all things being equal) , but the situation tapers in later age and slightly reverses in the 40s when men have slightly more sexual partners. Other than that, the data shows that the sexless generation is driving itself to extinction. That'…

Likely because men’s sexual and partner value goes up as they age, where women peak around 21 and rapidly decline after 30. This is based on Okcupid and other dating marketplace data.

You're delusional

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by toomuchtodo »

shademaan wrote: post #136
toomuchtodo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely because men’s sexual and partner value goes up as they age, where women peak around 21 and rapidly decline after 30. This is based on Okcupid and other dating marketplace data.

You're delusional

Citations are in a previous comment I contributed on the topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21086796

Please consider contributing to the discussion in a more meaningful way in the future. Name calling doesn’t help anyone.

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by throwaway87378 »

repolfx wrote: post #132
throwaway87378 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no such thing as the "modern left," except as a straw-man used by various people in US corporate television and radio. Mary Daly was a Catholic professor of theology and prominent second-wave feminist in the late 1960s/1970s, and according to her "If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in…

There obviously is a modern left and feminism is a central tenet of it. The fact that feminism has been riddled with violence, man hating and calls for androcide from the start is taboo to discuss today because feminists will respond in the way you'd expect: meltdown followed by an attempt to destroy the "men's right activist" who pointed it out. Even in the comment above you can see someone has been conditioned to t…

> There obviously is a modern left and feminism is a central tenet of it.

Since you seem to be so well-informed on the subject, maybe you can help me with a question about the "modern left" that I have had for several years now: what does John Zerzan have in common with Hillary Clinton?

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