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Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by ronnier »

Aloha wrote: post #56
ronnier wrote: post #35

The world is changing rapidly. The magic year of 2012 is when Tinder was release and then grew rapidly. Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice), they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. In gener…

> Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market, they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. I'm very skeptical of this. Attractiveness is sort of a constant across population, and sorts into several bucketed gradients,…

Study after study show that women rate the majority of men as unattractive whereas the scale is pretty balanced for men’s views of women attractiveness. In general, there’s no longer social or religious pressure for people to pair off so women flat out don’t pick those unattractive men.

Women are the selectors. Men tend to take whatever they can get.

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by amriksohata »

ronnier wrote: post #35

The world is changing rapidly. The magic year of 2012 is when Tinder was release and then grew rapidly. Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice), they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. In gener…

Agreed though the men having less sex don't need it, they have the rise of porn that means they can fulfill atleast some of their needs very easily and don't want to bother with the time it takes to get in a relationship

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by aianus »

EliRivers wrote: post #54
ronnier wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not by choice that they are not in the dating market. Nobody buys what they have to offer.

I believe you are conflating "being in the market" with "not being successful in the market". You said they're not in the market ("totally removed"). If they're not in the market, attempting to make a sale, the odds of ever making sale are zero. If you're in the market, and nobody is buying, you need to improve your product or target other potential customers. If this was about software or other such, everyone would…

It's possible that any given person can, as you say, work harder and achieve success in dating, and that it is impossible for everyone to do it because of structural reasons.

For example, if there are 800 million men in your country and 700 million women, "try harder" will only work for 700 million men and will never work for the other 100 million (assuming they want long-term monogamous marriages etc.)

SF isn't China/India but even in SF there is enough structural imbalance that "work harder" won't be enough to help 10s of thousands of young men.

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by catalogia »

buboard wrote: post #47
catalogia wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> " Apparently young men have less than half infections as women (i.e. less than half sexual partners than women do - all things being equal)" All things certainly aren't equal though. There is a very large asymmetry in the chance to contract some STDs (specifically HIV, maybe others as well but I'm not sure.) > In general, receptive sex is riskier than insertive sex. This means that women have a higher risk for gett…

The graph is about Chlamydia though. (also the factors you mention wouldn't explain the age asymmetries)

I don't mean to suggest that there are no asymmetries in who is having more sex. Only that the assumption of equal transmission rate shouldn't be made. I don't know if there is a transmission asymmetry for Chlamydia, but I don't think it's safe to assume there isn't.

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by EliRivers »

ronnier wrote: post #61
Aloha wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market, they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. I'm very skeptical of this. Attractiveness is sort of a constant across population, and sorts into several bucketed gradients,…

Study after study show that women rate the majority of men as unattractive whereas the scale is pretty balanced for men’s views of women attractiveness. In general, there’s no longer social or religious pressure for people to pair off so women flat out don’t pick those unattractive men. Women are the selectors. Men tend to take whatever they can get.

I see unattractive men getting married every day.

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Post by MrsPeaches »

ronnier wrote: post #35

The world is changing rapidly. The magic year of 2012 is when Tinder was release and then grew rapidly. Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice), they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. In gener…

This doesn’t stand up to even the most basic analysis.

Just look at attractiveness ratings between sexes and races[1]. White men are consistently rated as the most attractive, with black women faring least well.

Genuine question: why are the people who subscribe to this world view predominantly white men?

[1] https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-10...

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by ronnier »

EliRivers wrote: post #65
ronnier wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Study after study show that women rate the majority of men as unattractive whereas the scale is pretty balanced for men’s views of women attractiveness. In general, there’s no longer social or religious pressure for people to pair off so women flat out don’t pick those unattractive men. Women are the selectors. Men tend to take whatever they can get.

I see unattractive men getting married every day.

It’s a generality, not a solid rule. The statics show this.

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Post by mcbuilder »

grumple wrote: post #30
dev_dull wrote: post #29

This study is funny to me because there's such obvious answers to the trends: Having less sex: more and more people are putting off marriage. I'm sure happily married couples are leaving even their most promiscuous peers in the dust with their nuptial regularity. Rise in STDs: the risk of unwanted pregnancy is much lower these days then in say, the 60s and 70s allowing for "riskier" sex. Longer time to marriage + hoo…

> I'm sure happily married couples are leaving even their most promiscuous peers in the dust with their nuptial regularity. The traditional wisdom is that this isn't true at all.

That's the joke, but it has not been my experience. Then again, my dating experience was prior to 2012.

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Post by hnaccy »

ronnier wrote: post #35

The world is changing rapidly. The magic year of 2012 is when Tinder was release and then grew rapidly. Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice), they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. In gener…

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Post by [deleted] »

ronnier wrote: post #61
Aloha wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market, they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. I'm very skeptical of this. Attractiveness is sort of a constant across population, and sorts into several bucketed gradients,…

Study after study show that women rate the majority of men as unattractive whereas the scale is pretty balanced for men’s views of women attractiveness. In general, there’s no longer social or religious pressure for people to pair off so women flat out don’t pick those unattractive men. Women are the selectors. Men tend to take whatever they can get.

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