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Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by ReptileMan »

bilbo0s wrote: post #99
ReptileMan wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not slaves to their libidos but to the supply demand in the dating market. If you seek more high status males (and at the coasts of US you have women outeducating men by a sizable margin, so the ratio of single women to men with higher status than the women is favorable towards the latter) the high status males can demand more risky stuff and be more reluctant to commit. And unless the women want to date dow…

> And unless the women want to date down they have to accept it. And, these women. They are so averse to the "date down" idea in your view, that they are willing to contract HIV to avoid dating firemen or truck drivers? I'm probably too old to understand anymore. But I'll just say that in my day, more women were in college than men. Even so, that idea of risky sex because a guy has a degree would have been patent non…

The HIV scare was strongest by the time the older millennials were born. I am not sure that it is on the top of anyone's mind right now.

Since I entered the dating market I have observed that women prefer men being taller, at least comparable smartness and earning a bit more than them. The couples around for which this isn't true are probably < 10% of all.

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#102

Post by marchenko »

abjKT26nO8 wrote: post #86

I'm bisexual (male) and for a long time now I have had a lot more sexual success among men than among women (i.e. zero success in the latter case). I've been meaning to change this situation, so I tried Tinder with the settings adjusted, so that Tinder thinks I am only "interested in women". First try - no matches. Second try - one match, conversation ended with no explanation after 2 exchanges. Third try - 3 matches…

I think you are discovering that women, on average, have different expectations from a sexual relationship than men. In fact, it is not weird at all to find that men are much more interested in one night stands than women. Even women who are interested in casual sex tend to want their partner to be at least open to the idea of entering into a relationship. If anything in your bio hints that you are only interested in sex, you will pare your respondent pool down to exactly the type of women you discovered to be receptive: adventurous women interested in threesomes and those who want the safety of having a trusted third party along with their new bit of strange.

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by analyst74 »

pushcx wrote: post #80
ronnier wrote: post #35

The world is changing rapidly. The magic year of 2012 is when Tinder was release and then grew rapidly. Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice), they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. In gener…

> a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice) Please don't make up things like this. There's tons of well-researched data available from the CDC and NIH. None of it supports this misogynist conspiracy that men have stopped having sex. > Regarding opposite-sex sexual behavior, 95.3% of women and 93.5% of men aged 18–44 had ever had any opposite-sex sexual contact. There are pag…

Not supporting GP's view, but this data is not the right metric for the discussion.

Someone who only had sex once leaves a very different STI footprint than someone who have different partners every week, yet they will both be classified as "have ever had sex" in the study.

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Post by ryandrake »

ReptileMan wrote: post #89
pushcx wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice) Please don't make up things like this. There's tons of well-researched data available from the CDC and NIH. None of it supports this misogynist conspiracy that men have stopped having sex. > Regarding opposite-sex sexual behavior, 95.3% of women and 93.5% of men aged 18–44 had ever had any opposite-sex sexual contact. There are pag…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-ame... The share of Americans not having sex has reached a record high % of 18-30 year olds reporting no sex in the past year 2008 Women: 8% Men: 10% 2018 Women: 18% Men: 28% The rate of change is twice higher for men. I guess reality is misogynist by your definition of misogyny

Anyone who doesn’t believe it should feel free to observe it: Pick any dating site and set up two accounts: one male and one female. Put in the same bio on each and choose stock photos of average looking 24 year olds. Observe and compare inboxes for a month or so.

Re: Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contracting More STDs

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Post by abjKT26nO8 »

marchenko wrote: post #102
abjKT26nO8 wrote: post #86

I'm bisexual (male) and for a long time now I have had a lot more sexual success among men than among women (i.e. zero success in the latter case). I've been meaning to change this situation, so I tried Tinder with the settings adjusted, so that Tinder thinks I am only "interested in women". First try - no matches. Second try - one match, conversation ended with no explanation after 2 exchanges. Third try - 3 matches…

I think you are discovering that women, on average, have different expectations from a sexual relationship than men. In fact, it is not weird at all to find that men are much more interested in one night stands than women. Even women who are interested in casual sex tend to want their partner to be at least open to the idea of entering into a relationship. If anything in your bio hints that you are only interested in…

I explicitly signaled what I was looking for in my bio. The weird part is, a lot of women ignored that and hoped that something (I don't know, their photos maybe? :D) will make me more willing to exploring a relationship.

Also, there was no "would you at least be open to the idea of entering into a relationship?". It was simply "casual? nope".

Another weird bit - the cherry on top - is the fact that most people are heterosexual and yet all my sexual experiences were strictly homosexual - again, the proportions are not the result of my choice.

And again the idea of "looking for love" on the Internet on Tinder sounds ridiculous to me. Think about it: you're essentially swiping photos left and right. It's what this app is focused on. And yet a lot of women seem to want to find the love of their lives there. I just can't... You want something meaningful? Grow a relationship IRL, don't swipe photos thinking "is this the one?".

You are right that I am simply discovering that men and women have different expectations. But the proportions are mind-boggling to me + the means by which so many women seem to hope to fulfill their expectations are absurd.

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Post by [deleted] »

EliRivers wrote: post #65
ronnier wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Study after study show that women rate the majority of men as unattractive whereas the scale is pretty balanced for men’s views of women attractiveness. In general, there’s no longer social or religious pressure for people to pair off so women flat out don’t pick those unattractive men. Women are the selectors. Men tend to take whatever they can get.

I see unattractive men getting married every day.

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Post by jimbob45 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #18
jimbob45 wrote: post #3

Once again, PrEP is a miracle drug and future generations will be baffled as to why we were so slow in adopting it.

It's not baffling at all, it costs $1,800 for 30 days worth of Truvada. Descovy has less side-effects than Truvada, but Gilead conveniently timed Descovy's indication for PrEP to align with Truvada's patent expiration. Truvada is particularly hard on the kidneys, and can cause kidney damage or failure. Descovy doesn't put its users at risk of kidney damage. The wholesale cost of generic Truvada in the developing worl…

My thing is that the government would want to subsidize it. Who wouldn't want to score political points as the guy who eradicated HIV? (or made a big dent)

However, based on what you're saying, I wonder if the push is being delayed so that the government can wait for the patent expiration and subsidize at a much cheaper cost.

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

throwaway87378 wrote: post #90
ronnier wrote: post #35

The world is changing rapidly. The magic year of 2012 is when Tinder was release and then grew rapidly. Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice), they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. In gener…

> Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice), they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. You are totally ignoring the demographic of women over 40. Older women have a very hard time dating. > So, whe…

> "I have never heard anyone say that male birth should be limited, but it obviously should… we can steer ourselves towards a population with a predominance of females, and those females should have only one child, and 75% of those children should also be female."

Yikes. So how does this mesh with the idea that the modern left is about gender equality? That's pretty much naked eugenics and this individual does not seem to be broadly vilified as one would expect.

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Post by analyst74 »

ronnier wrote: post #35

The world is changing rapidly. The magic year of 2012 is when Tinder was release and then grew rapidly. Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice), they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. In gener…

> The world changed, women do not need your money or your protection.

This is a good thing, we men will need to evolve to what women desire if we want to be competitive in the dating market. Speaking as someone who has lost tremendous amount of competitiveness by moving to US.

> The fancy jobs do not matter like they did before, nor does having a ton of money.

Fancy jobs and tons of money still matter, just the bar is higher now. Cool jobs are also becoming desirable, giving men more options to pursue non-traditional careers.

> What matters more than anything now are your looks.

Look has always been important for women, the playing field is just becoming more even between the genders.

Yes, the dating landscape is changing at a faster pace than before, like many other parts of society. The answer is the same, evolve or become obsolete.

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Post by [deleted] »

ronnier wrote: post #35

The world is changing rapidly. The magic year of 2012 is when Tinder was release and then grew rapidly. Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice), they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men. In gener…

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