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Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

pciexpgpu wrote: post #91
yogthos wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet, citizens of China have enjoyed a steady increase in the quality of life across the board, while the opposite has been happening in US. Meanwhile, US is an oligarchy and not a democracy. A long term study from Princeton shows that the main predictor of any law being passed is whether it's favorable to the rich. The public opinion does not matter: >What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainl…

This comment is regurgitating stats and numbers without much context. I feel that over-priveleged peoples in the West with a really good life and pretty much every comfort available, often tend to just look at these superficial charts and numbers and tend to gloss over the context in these other countries. It's pretty sad really that you are comparing China to the USA in this way just by mentioning that the USA is a…

I find the US, the UK, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Israel all absolutely horrific in different but often surprisingly similar ways. Europe, Japan, and a few smaller nations less so - moderately, but not trivially.

There are superficial differences in the tribal totems and rhetorical promises used to promote conformity, and in the mechanics of manipulation and repression.

Beneath that, the dynamics are very similar.

Life can be quite pleasant in any of the above if you're upper-middle class.

If you're on the wrong side of any of these regimes and on the receiving end of institutionalised government violence, it really isn't.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by StreamBright »

koolba wrote: post #89
geofft wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I do. Here's a few reasons: - I genuinely think that the Huawei stories are by and large protectionist fearmongering and that Huawei products would win in a free and high-information (and high-correct-information, of course) market. I think better, cheaper products are good for the US. - If Huawei is actually using their products to spy, or there is even a belief of such, that incentivizes the use of end-to-end…

> I don't think China is any more evil than the US. So if I'm okay with using infrastructure from AT&T and its Room 641A, Verizon and its Quantico circuit, and the various PRISM companies, I have no logical reason to object to infrastructure that may be similarly compromised by the Chinese government. One big problem is that there is no recourse against China. Unless you have some long term plans of joining their pol…

What pressure was put on the NSA and what is the outcome[1]? Let's include all the FVEY[2] countires. Look at Australia's encryption laws[3]. It is actually better to live in China than in AUstralia from this point of view. I do not think that you can use the argument that we can apply political pressure to intelligence agencies or governments and have a better outcome. At least this is not the reality in many cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/world/australia/encryptio...

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by aw3c2 »

oil25 wrote: post #2

Can someone share the cited research? Twitter appears to be blocking Tor these days - what a disappointment: > 403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it.

They do it because you should let them spy on you.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by StreamBright »

half-kh-hacker wrote: post #60
geofft wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I do. Here's a few reasons: - I genuinely think that the Huawei stories are by and large protectionist fearmongering and that Huawei products would win in a free and high-information (and high-correct-information, of course) market. I think better, cheaper products are good for the US. - If Huawei is actually using their products to spy, or there is even a belief of such, that incentivizes the use of end-to-end…

Regarding: > - I don't think China is any more evil than the US. In my opinion, citizens of China have it far worse, due to things like the Great Firewall. I'd much rather live in the US than China, at least it's vaguely democratic.

What does the great firewall do? Avoiding Facebook and Google to conduct mass surveillance on Chinese citizens?

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by qwsxyh »

mattmanser wrote: post #94
yogthos wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet, citizens of China have enjoyed a steady increase in the quality of life across the board, while the opposite has been happening in US. Meanwhile, US is an oligarchy and not a democracy. A long term study from Princeton shows that the main predictor of any law being passed is whether it's favorable to the rich. The public opinion does not matter: >What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainl…

China's GDP per capita is $9k, while the US's is $60k. I think you're looking at entirely the wrong metric.

As we all know, GDP per capita is a very representative stat of how good your life is.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by dodndkf »

the-dude wrote: post #102
geofft wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, it's been twelve years. Nacchio was the most recent person stupid enough to say no to the US government. They made an example of him. In recent years, US telecom CEOs know they should quietly say yes, and not put up a fight.

Hmmm, didn't Apple through Tim Cook resist the US government regarding the unlocking of iPhone's?

No, this is totally different.

There is no reason to believe that the NSA doesn’t have the ability to access iPhones [0]. Either through explicit help from Apple or otherwise.

Tim Cook’s stance was within the fiction of constitutional order. The FBI wanted to pretend that they couldn’t access the phone and bully Apple to give them access. This is to:

1. Legitimize their own access 2. Be able to, more easily, use the courts to punish someone (instead of droning a foreigner)

That last one is important. The DEA is known to use (unconstitutional) parallel construction to prosecute drug smugglers. If they have legitimate access to your phone, it’s easier to pretend that they obtained their evidence legitimately.

Tim Cook also has an interest in maintaining the aura that iPhones protect your safety. There’s no reason for you to believe that w/out having the source.

[0] or do you believe that no one working on the iPhone has secrets that the NSA can’t leverage? Or that the richest security service can’t manufacture custom chips as needed to clone the devices SSD? Or hasn’t capped the chips in the iPhone already? Or run it through the most through fuzzer?

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by pinkfoot »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #56
filoleg wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The keyword here is “former”. In the Huawei scenario, a lot of them seem to be active intelligence officials, not former ones.

In the context of national security, the keyword is actually “NSA”. Having US intel working in US infrastructure is not a threat to national security, having Chinese intel working in US infrastructure is.

Until the NSA is captured by a faction of the USA hostile to its values.

Then it won't be so much fun.

You're almost there.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by thewhitetulip »

StudentStuff wrote: post #9
oil25 wrote: post #2

Can someone share the cited research? Twitter appears to be blocking Tor these days - what a disappointment: > 403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it.

Twitter has also been refusing to load tweets in Firefox for Android (on T-Mobile USA), instead showing "Please wait to refresh". Its like they think I'm DDoSing their infra, rather than trying to view a tweet every few days...

Same here, firefox android with disabled cookies

They put me on rate limiter

Same for logged of chrome on android

But if I login then everything is fine.

I stopped using Twitter that very day

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by adinobro »

mindfulplay wrote: post #116
geofft wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So - as an overprivileged person in the West, I believe I am happier living in the US than in China. There are a lot of freedoms and comforts available to me as an upper-middle-class person. Were I not, I suspect I'd be happier in China. And there's no shortage of e.g. college students from China who want to return after their studies instead of trying to stay around America and get a work visa. They're smart, and th…

Majority of Chinese students would want to stay in the US. Based on my very informal unscientific study over the last many years. Recently the visa backlog implicitly pushes people away, no lack of demand. In fact too much demand.

That used to be the case but that has changed in the last five years.

From memory it used to be about 80% and now it is closer to 20%

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by cglace »

mrtksn wrote: post #129
cglace wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, cool. However, you’re example seems a bit Eurocentric. Not to mention that the parent, as well as the rest of the thread, was talking about how this compares to the USA. So I have no clue how bringing Turkey into the discussion would make much sense.

Why does it need to be US-centric? The exercise that I suggested is intended as a way to give you a perspective. Beleive it or not, not everyone lives in the USA and not everyone is US citizen and not everyone is obligated to put aside their own needs and act for the US interests. This issue is relevant to non-US persons and countries because the USA is actively trying to prevent Huawei from doing business in these c…

Thanks again for letting me know the world includes other countries. Even when you again only include European countries as your examples. Your perspective is clearly Eurocentric. Mine is US-centric. Believe it or not I’m sure Chinese people’s views are China-centric. In other news water is wet.

There is no reason to be so smug in explaining obvious things and assuming complete ignorance on my part.

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