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Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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You are kidding right? You can’t see any problem embedding Chinese spy equipment throughout the country?

Please go to Google maps, zoom out and google some label that you see. Stuff like “France”, “Turkey”, “Poland”. The results will surprise you.

Ah, cool. However, you’re example seems a bit Eurocentric. Not to mention that the parent, as well as the rest of the thread, was talking about how this compares to the USA. So I have no clue how bringing Turkey into the discussion would make much sense.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Yes, I do. Here's a few reasons: - I genuinely think that the Huawei stories are by and large protectionist fearmongering and that Huawei products would win in a free and high-information (and high-correct-information, of course) market. I think better, cheaper products are good for the US. - If Huawei is actually using their products to spy, or there is even a belief of such, that incentivizes the use of end-to-end…

Regarding: > - I don't think China is any more evil than the US. In my opinion, citizens of China have it far worse, due to things like the Great Firewall. I'd much rather live in the US than China, at least it's vaguely democratic.

Yet, citizens of China have enjoyed a steady increase in the quality of life across the board, while the opposite has been happening in US. Meanwhile, US is an oligarchy and not a democracy. A long term study from Princeton shows that the main predictor of any law being passed is whether it's favorable to the rich. The public opinion does not matter:

>What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli...

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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A lot of people in this thread are complaining that the US does this to but does anyone seriously believe that having Huawei tech embedded in American infrastructure is a good idea?

Here's the thing, check extradition treaties and patent law enforcement...'nuff said....

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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It seems that many of the commenters here forgot about the arrest of Huawei Poland's sales director suspected of spying: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46851777

And China has arrested Canadian citizens in China on allegations of spying.

Do you that that accusations of spying between politically rivalrous countries might possibly be untrue and instead used for leverage?

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A lot of people in this thread are complaining that the US does this to but does anyone seriously believe that having Huawei tech embedded in American infrastructure is a good idea?

Yes, I do. Here's a few reasons: - I genuinely think that the Huawei stories are by and large protectionist fearmongering and that Huawei products would win in a free and high-information (and high-correct-information, of course) market. I think better, cheaper products are good for the US. - If Huawei is actually using their products to spy, or there is even a belief of such, that incentivizes the use of end-to-end…

So foreign spying should be encouraged if you are doing domestic spying? I don’t see how that computes as far as domestic policy goes.

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A lot of people in this thread are complaining that the US does this to but does anyone seriously believe that having Huawei tech embedded in American infrastructure is a good idea?

Every thread that paints China in a negative light on HN always follow the same pattern: - USA whataboutism - Mass flagging (resulting in the story getting knocked off the frontpage despite having a great upvote, comment and submission ratio) - Comments negative towards China receive 1-5 quick downvotes before slowly climbing back to normal again It’s really unfortunate that an otherwise well moderated community is s…

This is a ridiculous suggestion. There is never a huge amount of posts that criticize the US gov, so it doesn't get enough viewing time even though there are a huge amount of horrendous actions the US are doing and elsewhere (UK etc).

Banning comments about whataboutism? LMAO. Censorship because people comment about how bad the US are? And youre bothered about Chinese ruling?

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these points are all out of a reasonable time frame or far exaggerated against American government vs the Chinese government Like, yeah, we have police brutality, and it’s a real problem. But did we crush a bunch of student protestors into human pancakes and then forbid anyone from talking about it? No.

Did you know about the Jackson State massacre or the Orangeburg massacre, in both of which the police killed college and high-school students? Or the 1985 police bombing of a residential neighborhood in Philadelphia that killed six adults and five children and destroyed 65 houses? The US doesn't need to suppress people from talking. There's enough social control that people don't talk in the first place. The informat…

But you're not forbidden from talking about what you mentioned, that's why you're posting here, no? Try to post anything about Tiananmen on any forum based in China. To me this is the key that makes CCP strictly worse than the US govt.

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A lot of people in this thread are complaining that the US does this to but does anyone seriously believe that having Huawei tech embedded in American infrastructure is a good idea?

Yes, I do. Here's a few reasons: - I genuinely think that the Huawei stories are by and large protectionist fearmongering and that Huawei products would win in a free and high-information (and high-correct-information, of course) market. I think better, cheaper products are good for the US. - If Huawei is actually using their products to spy, or there is even a belief of such, that incentivizes the use of end-to-end…

> I don't think China is any more evil than the US. So if I'm okay with using infrastructure from AT&T and its Room 641A, Verizon and its Quantico circuit, and the various PRISM companies, I have no logical reason to object to infrastructure that may be similarly compromised by the Chinese government.

One big problem is that there is no recourse against China. Unless you have some long term plans of joining their politburo and making changes 25 years from now, there's no way to way to apply direct pressure for change.

Say what you want about the USA's intelligence organizations but at the end of the day there's a path for change. We elect a new top of the house every four years and all our intelligence agencies (are supposed to...) report to our civilian leaders. China's is a black box that's only getting darker over time.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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A lot of people in this thread are complaining that the US does this to but does anyone seriously believe that having Huawei tech embedded in American infrastructure is a good idea?

I'll say this: my gut says "no" BUT if the US uses Huawei as much as China uses Cisco et al then there is one very good thing that can happen--economic interdendence which tends to encourage peace!

The key is for balance and competitiveness on both sides to be maintained.

China backs its companies with government support more aggressively than the US does (in recent decades anyway) which means the US could lose its edge and end up totally reliant.

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