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Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by _dczq »

geofft wrote: post #46
darawk wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the big difference is that US companies can meaningfully resist the US government if they choose to, and they often do. Chinese companies cannot.

The way that Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio so meaningfully resisted the government that he was convicted of insider trading for telling people his company would be successful when it actually relied on a government contract that was pulled in retaliation, which he couldn't use as a defense in court because of national security concerns? For which he served four years in prison, and Qwest no longer exists? That sort of mea…

You had to go back 12 years for your example. I think that speaks pretty loudly to the differences between countries.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by geofft »

_dczq wrote: post #51
geofft wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way that Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio so meaningfully resisted the government that he was convicted of insider trading for telling people his company would be successful when it actually relied on a government contract that was pulled in retaliation, which he couldn't use as a defense in court because of national security concerns? For which he served four years in prison, and Qwest no longer exists? That sort of mea…

You had to go back 12 years for your example. I think that speaks pretty loudly to the differences between countries.

Correct, it's been twelve years. Nacchio was the most recent person stupid enough to say no to the US government. They made an example of him. In recent years, US telecom CEOs know they should quietly say yes, and not put up a fight.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

#53

Post by cglace »

mrtksn wrote: post #18
filoleg wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The keyword here is “former”. In the Huawei scenario, a lot of them seem to be active intelligence officials, not former ones.

How do we know that "former" is not just on paperwork? When I hear the arguments against China and their tech companies, I don't have a problem believing them, however I do not expect anything less from the USA. Remember Snowden? I'm simply assuming that Facebook, Google, Apple, Cisco or any other US tech company are tapped by the US 3 letter agencies. There were some reveleations on that(PRISMA) but it's probably ju…

You are kidding right? You can’t see any problem embedding Chinese spy equipment throughout the country?

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

#55

Post by geofft »

rdlecler1 wrote: post #49

A lot of people in this thread are complaining that the US does this to but does anyone seriously believe that having Huawei tech embedded in American infrastructure is a good idea?

Yes, I do. Here's a few reasons:

- I genuinely think that the Huawei stories are by and large protectionist fearmongering and that Huawei products would win in a free and high-information (and high-correct-information, of course) market. I think better, cheaper products are good for the US.

- If Huawei is actually using their products to spy, or there is even a belief of such, that incentivizes the use of end-to-end secure protocols that don't trust routers, open-source and verifiable devices for end users, etc. If it's just the US government, there's a strong pressure on US companies not to treat their own government as an adversary, which creates the danger that it's easy for the government to become an adversary (even if they are not today, it can change hands quickly).

- I don't think China is any more evil than the US. So if I'm okay with using infrastructure from AT&T and its Room 641A, Verizon and its Quantico circuit, and the various PRISM companies, I have no logical reason to object to infrastructure that may be similarly compromised by the Chinese government.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by AmericanChopper »

filoleg wrote: post #16
_8j50 wrote: post #12

Tons of former NSA persons work in the US private sector,especially within infosec.

The keyword here is “former”. In the Huawei scenario, a lot of them seem to be active intelligence officials, not former ones.

In the context of national security, the keyword is actually “NSA”. Having US intel working in US infrastructure is not a threat to national security, having Chinese intel working in US infrastructure is.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by geofft »

xeeeeeeeeeeenu wrote: post #47

It seems that many of the commenters here forgot about the arrest of Huawei Poland's sales director suspected of spying: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46851777

What is a Western country arresting (and not even yet successfully prosecuting) a Huawei employee supposed to prove, besides that the West is suspicious of Huawei?

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

#58

Post by cheez »

geofft wrote: post #55
rdlecler1 wrote: post #49

A lot of people in this thread are complaining that the US does this to but does anyone seriously believe that having Huawei tech embedded in American infrastructure is a good idea?

Yes, I do. Here's a few reasons: - I genuinely think that the Huawei stories are by and large protectionist fearmongering and that Huawei products would win in a free and high-information (and high-correct-information, of course) market. I think better, cheaper products are good for the US. - If Huawei is actually using their products to spy, or there is even a belief of such, that incentivizes the use of end-to-end…

> - I don't think China is any more evil than the US.

https://www.wired.com/story/inside-chinas-massive-surveillan...

Slightly worse, I would think. Another reason not to give up your guns to the benevolence of government.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by mrtksn »

cglace wrote: post #53
mrtksn wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do we know that "former" is not just on paperwork? When I hear the arguments against China and their tech companies, I don't have a problem believing them, however I do not expect anything less from the USA. Remember Snowden? I'm simply assuming that Facebook, Google, Apple, Cisco or any other US tech company are tapped by the US 3 letter agencies. There were some reveleations on that(PRISMA) but it's probably ju…

You are kidding right? You can’t see any problem embedding Chinese spy equipment throughout the country?

Please go to Google maps, zoom out and google some label that you see. Stuff like “France”, “Turkey”, “Poland”. The results will surprise you.

Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by half-kh-hacker »

geofft wrote: post #55
rdlecler1 wrote: post #49

A lot of people in this thread are complaining that the US does this to but does anyone seriously believe that having Huawei tech embedded in American infrastructure is a good idea?

Yes, I do. Here's a few reasons: - I genuinely think that the Huawei stories are by and large protectionist fearmongering and that Huawei products would win in a free and high-information (and high-correct-information, of course) market. I think better, cheaper products are good for the US. - If Huawei is actually using their products to spy, or there is even a belief of such, that incentivizes the use of end-to-end…

Regarding:

> - I don't think China is any more evil than the US.

In my opinion, citizens of China have it far worse, due to things like the Great Firewall. I'd much rather live in the US than China, at least it's vaguely democratic.

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