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Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by School-Cotton »

rayiner wrote: post #78
School-Cotton wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in the technology sector in the US and my experience is exactly the same as yours. > However, given the American exceptionalism showing up in the thread, I'm going to wager that this probably going to see some vitriolic response. I actually don't believe in American exceptionalism at all. Nor European exceptionalism. But I am fed up with people from the most developed part of the world acting shocked and moral…

It's not all that comparable. U.S. GDP per capita is $60,000. France is $43,500 (PPP). (In terms of GDP per capita, the U.S. is richer than France by about the same ratio as France is richer than Lithuania or Estonia.) Average net financial wealth per household is almost 3x higher in the U.S. than in France, and 2x higher than the OECD average.

Western and Northern Europe are the most developed part of the world. I didn't say they were the richest in absolute dollar terms.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by School-Cotton »

newen wrote: post #60
School-Cotton wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in the technology sector in the US and my experience is exactly the same as yours. > However, given the American exceptionalism showing up in the thread, I'm going to wager that this probably going to see some vitriolic response. I actually don't believe in American exceptionalism at all. Nor European exceptionalism. But I am fed up with people from the most developed part of the world acting shocked and moral…

You are implying Europe is more developed than America? America has per capita GDP comparable to Europe's top countries. If not what's wrong with comparing your country's labor laws to a similar country's labor laws?

GDP per capita is not the same thing as development.

Yes, from personal experience France at least is more developed than the US.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by sabujp »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #130
sabujp wrote: post #128

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> no village that will raise your child except that in the majority of the world people live in more communal settings. You're probably thinking of nations where people don't even know their neighbors. Also you misunderstand "village". The way I see that term nowadays is more about public and private institutions that provide support for kids in their education and upbringing. At least in SV there are tons of things…

It is simply not true that most of the world lives in communal settings. Most of the world lives in urban areas. And with increasing world population, increasingly dense living environments. Again..it’s not about anything being ‘free’ or ‘low cost’. It’s time. It shouldn’t be time sacrificed from parents’ lives that leads to resentment and guilt and finally therapy (if the kids can afford it..but apparently everyone…

> Every child is a crap shot

Feel free not to have kids, I definitely don't want parents who are so pessimistic and scared about the future that they won't even try

> genetic gamble

>99% not about genetics

> handing them off to the state

at least in more progressive areas the state/communities aren't out to make your child into a mindless drone

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by dahfizz »

cf498 wrote: post #68
dahfizz wrote: post #64

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Do people in equivalent jobs in Europe also get to "work from home"?

You take a separate additional sick leave as a parent with a sick child in Germany. Working from home is something the employee can do to mitigate his absence. Each parent gets 10 days per year with one kid and up to 25 with multiple kids. If you are a single parent it doubles, so 20 for one kid and up to 50 for 2+ kids edit: kids up to the age of 12. edit2: it can be unpaid. However you get sickpay instead.

Is this only for salaried employees or everyone? Does a grocery bagger get paid sick leave?

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

rayiner wrote: post #49
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #14

Children are expensive. And it’s not about money. It’s about time and energy and effort and incessant tending and bonding. I honestly think people need counseling and planning before they start to think about starting a family. They need back up plans and contingency strategies. It used to be that we lived in small communal groups and non nuclear families. Usually matriarchal wherein the post menopausal grandmother p…

Children are difficult, but not as hard as you make it out to be. Out of my circle of friends, more than half the kids were unplanned (including our first child). It was no big deal—grandparents swooped in to keep things on the rails (something that is true for people of all income levels). For lower income people, a bit of help with childcare during work is all that’s necessary. The “responsible parenting” approach…

There are also polls that suggest that having children makes you unhappy.

Passing on our genetic material is why we exist. One could make an argument that we live and we die until we can make a semi copy of our genes. It’s an incredibly random process but it’s a biological imperative.

I also disagree that lower income parents won’t have children. I am not saying that we should sterilize poor people! I am just saying that they should sit down and have a talk with someone who will guide them through the maze that is child rearing. It’s also for middle class and even upper class income people. It’s not just money but also the psychological makeup.

Even a simple questionnaire like what’s your five year plan...or illustrating how much it costs and also fairly representative general in media et al that parenting is resented as much as it’s enjoyable.

It’s very skewed now. As a woman, it particularly enrages me when motherhood is glorified. I personally know more than a handful of my own friends who suffer from debilitating post partum depression. And yet ..other than the isolated bubbles..even today, people don’t talk about it. And it’s actually better now. After they were given support and counsel, women started talking about it..perhaps people will stop talking about how glorious it’s is to have children if they are not judged for admitting it.

Also..every woman who has a child massively increase her footprint. It increases with every extra child. It’s something that is never quantified. Maybe in 1600s when we were totally 500 million people, we needed to glorify children so we wont disappear as a species. We will be ten billion soon. So enough.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by ams6110 »

renholder wrote: post #15
School-Cotton wrote: post #11

The headline here is incredibly misleading. The CDC is not making the factual claim that "low-income parents send sick kids to school due to lack paid sick leave". The actual truth: a paper from the CDC finding an apparently quite weak link between poverty and rate of school absence due to sickness stuck that in as one of many somewhat plausible explanations, in a very speculative discussion section. To emphasize: th…

Upboat for rationalisation. Also, from the European perspective (and specifically speaking of the technology sector, as that's what I have first-hand experience with), taking sick leave to take care of a child at home isn't a thing, whatsoever. You would just send an email to your team saying that you're sorry but you're working from home because your kid is sick and that would be the end of it. No compulsion to take…

Uh TFA is talking about low income parents. In the tech sector here, it's the same. I can "work from home" to take care of a sick kid, or I can just use a sick day, which I have in plentiful supply, and avoid the pretense of pretending to work while I'm not at the office.

A waitress, housekeeper, janitor, or someone else who actually has to be at a specific place to perform their work, doesn't have that kind of flexibility.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

rayiner wrote: post #75
ses1984 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It was no big deal—grandparents swooped in to keep things on the rails (something that is true for people of all income levels). I'm not sure if you even realize the value of the support systems that were intact for these families. Not everyone has that. It seems like you entirely missed the point of post above. What if you had an unplanned pregnancy with a one night stand? What if you live hundreds of miles from yo…

> What if you had an unplanned pregnancy with a one night stand? What if you live hundreds of miles from your parents? What if your parents aren't with you any more? My point is not that everyone has that support system, but that it doesn't take much support to make having kids workable, and the government can gap-fill for people who don't have intact support structures. Almost 40% of births in the U.S. each year are…

I cannot even tell you how much I disagree with you! The original article states that people are sending their sick kids to school because they can’t take care of their sick children.

In countries like USA, many are immigrants and don’t have that familial support system. Due to healthcare costs and cost of living, both parents(never mind single parents) have to work and they work longer.

Also..maybe 50 years ago, grandmothers would baby sit their children’s children but today grandparents are still working and when they retire, they want to have a break after decades of employment..to expect them to take up child rearing again is incredibly selfish.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by cf498 »

dahfizz wrote: post #134
cf498 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You take a separate additional sick leave as a parent with a sick child in Germany. Working from home is something the employee can do to mitigate his absence. Each parent gets 10 days per year with one kid and up to 25 with multiple kids. If you are a single parent it doubles, so 20 for one kid and up to 50 for 2+ kids edit: kids up to the age of 12. edit2: it can be unpaid. However you get sickpay instead.

Is this only for salaried employees or everyone? Does a grocery bagger get paid sick leave?

We dont have grocery bagers. I assume you mean people whos sole income are tips? Thats not legal here. You can tip the pizza guy and waiter, but they are employees getting a paycheck from their employers. Tips are a bonus for a job well done and unrelated to them making a living.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

jackconnor wrote: post #82
renholder wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upboat for rationalisation. Also, from the European perspective (and specifically speaking of the technology sector, as that's what I have first-hand experience with), taking sick leave to take care of a child at home isn't a thing, whatsoever. You would just send an email to your team saying that you're sorry but you're working from home because your kid is sick and that would be the end of it. No compulsion to take…

This is janitors and cashiers at McDonalds, there’s no “working from home” and i guarantee it’s the same in Europe. We’re not talking about IT jobs here dude.

Ok. So instead of working from home, they'd stay home from work. Norway has protected days so parents can stay home with sick children. Paid days.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by School-Cotton »

rayiner wrote: post #75
ses1984 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It was no big deal—grandparents swooped in to keep things on the rails (something that is true for people of all income levels). I'm not sure if you even realize the value of the support systems that were intact for these families. Not everyone has that. It seems like you entirely missed the point of post above. What if you had an unplanned pregnancy with a one night stand? What if you live hundreds of miles from yo…

> What if you had an unplanned pregnancy with a one night stand? What if you live hundreds of miles from your parents? What if your parents aren't with you any more? My point is not that everyone has that support system, but that it doesn't take much support to make having kids workable, and the government can gap-fill for people who don't have intact support structures. Almost 40% of births in the U.S. each year are…

Having grandparents able to help out is a GIGANTIC advantage. Why are you saying it "doesn't take much" ?
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