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YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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#131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you being poor is justification enough to spread divisive comments and fuel further hatred (on either side)?

> "So you being poor is justification enough to spread divisive comments and fuel further hatred (on either side)" This is over-dramatic... I'm just saying in today's world you can identify as whatever the hell you want, and nobody can question it apparently...so It might be a good strategy for white males to "identify" as the race/gender that seem to get additional points on their applications based on their race/ge…

>I'm just saying in today's world you can identify as whatever the hell you want

That’s pretty flippant and insensitive to the struggles that trans people go through.

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#132

Did anyone not see this coming? The goal posts of equal _outcome_ continue to move, from university enrollment, to employment enrollment. And there are some people who want to see it go further. (What societal engineering scheme does this resemble?) With no apparent regard for what it costs. Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"? Or do you think t…

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Some people (especially those from outside the USA) may not know the reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_a_Dream

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#133
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then company X gets rightfully trounced by a Chinese firm 5 years from now which does not share our ridiculous racial taboos. Some crimes are self policing.

No company ever got trounced because they followed the prevailing political winds. Let's face it: the top tech companies have sufficient applicants, so they can choose whoever they want, and most jobs are drone jobs.

No company ever got trounced because they followed the prevailing political winds.

Many companies have failed due in part to internal politics. Also, weren't many of the companies involved in the financial crisis going along with the prevailing political winds, just before everything changed?

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? You seem to be assuming that Black people simply have more skill and performance than others. You do this in Basketball but not in other areas. Currently, hiring males for programming jobs is due to skill and performance, because far more men chose to go through this type of education than women. Huge numbers of men and women don't enjoy straining to grapple with abstract concepts for long stretches of time,…

So when the NBA hires for job qualifications like height, skill and performance, that's OK. But for tech positions they should actively discriminate against skilled applicants because maybe somebody else ought to do it? The NBA is actively recruiting/training for elite talent in China: http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/12/news/companies/china-nba-bas...

I think you TOTALLY misunderstood my point.

Which was: how come drwl accepts the status quo with NBA and not with programmers? Why do they simply assume that some qualities are more prevalent with Blacks but not with males?

I am not taking a position in my comment one way or the other, just pointing out a potential double standard so the reader can make their own conclusions by reconciling them :)

I assume you are clearly on the side of "things are the way they are because that's how biology works". So here is another one, far more politically charged. Are you prepared to endorse this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United...

"There is general agreement in the literature that blacks are more likely to commit violent crimes than are whites in the United States. Whether this is the case for less serious crimes is less clear."

This statement is considered racist. However the equivalent statement for men and women is not considered sexist: men commit far more violent crime than women.

Therefore, should these things be used in profiling people suspected of violent crime?

You can go on and on about these things.

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post #15

Last spring, YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims. Anyone from Google or YouTube--or people who applied to work at either org in this time frame--have perspectives to add regarding this claim?

Towards the end of last year I actually did apply to Google in Mountain View for Software Engineering. I believe my on-site went excellent technically overall, but I had a hard time meshing with a couple of my interviewers and wasn't surprised about my rejection. Nothing strange about that personally. However, another Google recruiter reached out to me for two other potential positions, said I would be an excellent f…

Friend of mine had setup interview at Google London, he flew in, came into the office and they completely forgot about him! :D He was just sitting there for a few hours, then left.

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post #14

I suspect Google, YouTube, YC, and many other Silicon Valley companies have followed a similar pattern: Step #1 Discriminate against the lower classes through a biased hiring process that favors upper class people over more qualified members of the 99%. A system of "culture" tests, nepotism, and simple favoritism. The "elite" investors fund the "elite" founders which hire "elite" friends. Step #2 Realize your policy…

#6 Repeat Steps 3-5 until the problem is solved.

EDIT: Also, double down on the ideological fervor until th problem is solved.

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post #53

Did anyone not see this coming? The goal posts of equal _outcome_ continue to move, from university enrollment, to employment enrollment. And there are some people who want to see it go further. (What societal engineering scheme does this resemble?) With no apparent regard for what it costs. Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"? Or do you think t…

Sure! Except when left to our own devices to "look beyond the superficial traits of a person", we usually end up hiring people who remind us ourselves. There is a place for consciously paying attention to race, ethnicity, and gender in that case. (Admittedly, the alleged situation in the headline is too far.)

I believe what you describe. I believe there are plenty of people who have the problem you describe--to a significant extent. And of course it's not limited to who you hire, but also who you associate with, and how you treat people. Many people, of all walks of life, act based on their assumptions of others, to some degree.

I'm a scientist. I believe in the power of observation, action, and assessment (further observation). If I perceive that a problem exists, then I: do my due diligence to determine the extent to which it exists (if at all), determine if and how I should solve it, and carry out that determination. I believe there are plenty of people that could use an adjustment, at least for the matter you describe.

But I'm an even bigger believer in priorities. Of investing energy and time--of our one, limited life--towards the goals that I think matter the most. The health of our planet and power inequality, for two. There are just some people for whom any such "adjustment" would only serve to (at best) distract them from other endeavours, where they may be sorely needed. Good people, who do truly good things. At what point do you stop this (re)education? Can we hope for a complete disassociation from our biological tendency to observe and encode patterns? Do we even want that? At some point, the energy expended on a perceived problem may greatly outweigh the returns you get from the investment. Energy that could have been better spent.

Right now, I see much energy--mostly talk--being devoted, in a "shotgun" approach, to this problem and other social problems. I see it talked about in mass-consumed venues, and I see others parroting talking points. But for me, my colleagues, and my friends, it just isn't a problem. I interact with individuals all over the world and we are able to work together toward common goals. And I think that's what matters most.

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#139
post #55

This doesn’t surprise me. I can’t speak to what it’s like to be a white man but for some reason Asians especially men are excluded as being part of what contributes to diversity despite being visible persons of colour.

And Asians are more successful than white people on average. Strange that there is no “Asian Privilege”

Well when Asians are discriminated against in university admissions and now even when searching for a job (at least in the case of Asian males), exactly what kind of privilege do Asians really have?

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post #15

Last spring, YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims. Anyone from Google or YouTube--or people who applied to work at either org in this time frame--have perspectives to add regarding this claim?

What happens if you are 1/2 white and 1/2 Hispanic? Who is in charge determining race?

You specify your "race"/"gender" during application (or refuse to answer). It's up to you how you want to move forward I guess.
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