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Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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Post by alexqgb »

Centigonal wrote: post #94
alexqgb wrote: post #86

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10) Exec discusses hiring journalists to do journalism to journalists. You know, digging up stuff about their personal life, kind of like (1) on this list. I'm sorry, but you're flat out wrong about this, You're also hilariously ignorant about the most basic aspects of journalistic ethics. The million dollar "opposition research" effort that BuzzFeedBen reported on is NOT journalism. Do journalists dig up dirt? Yes.…

Your points are totally valid, and I agree with you insomuch that I think the comment you replied to is a poorly-informed work of reductionism, but you're being very abrasive yourself as well. You practically gave your parent commenter a verbal beat-down over his grasp of journalistic ethics. The guy said a bunch of mostly wrong things, but he made a few good points, too!

Sorry. For what it's worth, it wasn't his poor grasp of journalistic ethics that attracted my opprobrium. The sharply negative reaction was prompted by the general dishonesty of his remarks and specifically his tendency to reframe the remarks of others in a way that egregiously misconstrued or misrepresented what they had to say.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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Post by bryanlarsen »

3beard wrote: post #107
physcab wrote: post #79

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Why do I dislike Uber? 1) They readily treat their drivers like second-class citizens (I was one of them at one point in time) 2) They use "Special Promotion" as a euphemism for "this wage cut is coming in 2 months, you better start shifting your spending habits" 3) In aggregate, their public persona is one of douche-baggery

> They readily treat their drivers like second-class citizens Sure, but that is pretty much par for the course for any low-education job anywhere in the world. Can't blame Uber for being like the rest.

Driving for Uber also requires a significant capital investment and risk assumption, so wages could be expected to be significantly higher than the typical low-education job.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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Post by DanBC »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #119
DanBC wrote: post #117

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> Have you considered the possibility that I merely didn't completely understand everything you said? You post history is anti-woman in any discussion about women. Thus your attempts to reframe a CEOs speculation about anonymously attacking a female journalist's (and her family's) privacy as "journalism" after she criticises her company is unlikely to be a misunderstanding about ethics. When a journList talks about y…

I have no idea why you think my post history is "anti-woman" or that I hold "hatred of women". I think many of the arguments pushed by people who self describe as "pro-woman" are nonsense, but that's not the same thing. ...the action of a fucking asshole... Contrast with what I said: "are we simply engaging in internet mobbing because...the CEO is kind of a jerk?" Unless the anonymous woman I described (and the anony…

> I have no idea why you think my post history is "anti-woman"

You have never, ever, taken the side of a woman in any HN discussion.

Whatever the situation you will always find some way to criticise the woman, even if it requires you to distort facts and construct wierd hypotheticals.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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Post by SamReidHughes »

DanBC wrote: post #123
yummyfajitas wrote: post #119

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I have no idea why you think my post history is "anti-woman" or that I hold "hatred of women". I think many of the arguments pushed by people who self describe as "pro-woman" are nonsense, but that's not the same thing. ...the action of a fucking asshole... Contrast with what I said: "are we simply engaging in internet mobbing because...the CEO is kind of a jerk?" Unless the anonymous woman I described (and the anony…

> I have no idea why you think my post history is "anti-woman" You have never, ever, taken the side of a woman in any HN discussion. Whatever the situation you will always find some way to criticise the woman, even if it requires you to distort facts and construct wierd hypotheticals.

Weird hypotheticals are a standard practice in philosophy.

Also, 'yummyfajitas criticizes or disagrees with male people all the time too. It's only natural, if you omit vapid posts of agreement from your repertoire, that you're always going to be seen disagreeing with and criticizing people.

Edit: Oh, I see that you've made these inane responses to yummyfajitas before. We can see an analog in your past comment:

> You don't create as much discussion going the other way - there are no posts from you askng why society accepts most corporate boards having no women or asking why society accepts discrimination against people with Arab sounding names. All your questions are about why it's okay to discriminate against white males in these kinds of programmes.

And yummyfajitas's reply:

> No one on HN is defending discrimination against people with Arab sounding names.

Perhaps the same sort of observation might be found on this axis of discussion?

And this isn't the first time you've made some metacommentary aboutq yummyfajitas's posting history. This time it's "hatred of women", last time it was racism. What are you gonna try next time?

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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Post by yummyfajitas »

DanBC wrote: post #123
yummyfajitas wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea why you think my post history is "anti-woman" or that I hold "hatred of women". I think many of the arguments pushed by people who self describe as "pro-woman" are nonsense, but that's not the same thing. ...the action of a fucking asshole... Contrast with what I said: "are we simply engaging in internet mobbing because...the CEO is kind of a jerk?" Unless the anonymous woman I described (and the anony…

> I have no idea why you think my post history is "anti-woman" You have never, ever, taken the side of a woman in any HN discussion. Whatever the situation you will always find some way to criticise the woman, even if it requires you to distort facts and construct wierd hypotheticals.

You have never, ever, taken the side of a woman in any HN discussion.

Easy enough to refute: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7539622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7539709

That discussion is almost the opposite of this one - the author spurred negative emotional reactions, but I defended her due to her careful definitions and reasoning.

This one also defends a specific human: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7312188

As samreidhughs points out, you are incorrect in this claim for a second time. My mistake, I remembered that comment, didn't remember it was you who made it.

I pretty rarely defend a person of any gender, however. Most of my comments tend toward abstraction. I barely view the comments I've made here as defending Uber, and more as simply advocating against mobbing.

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Post by comrh »

girvo wrote: post #78
comrh wrote: post #27

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I think regulations have more to do with the drivers not taking you on 20 mile detours, trying to sexually assault or yelling at a cancer patient (all Uber stories).

And all taxi stories. Seriously, you think they're immune to stuff like that? http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/taxi-driver-se... http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/santa-cruz/santa... Rude taxi drivers and huge detours to charge you more money are par for the course when it comes to taxis. Regulation doesn't fix this. I'm not sure what does, really.

I never said they were immune... I was merely pointing out that there is a lack of regulation. There is no taxi commission to go to if Uber screws you.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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Post by comrh »

kjksf wrote: post #39
comrh wrote: post #27

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I think regulations have more to do with the drivers not taking you on 20 mile detours, trying to sexually assault or yelling at a cancer patient (all Uber stories).

So you have 3 stories about Uber. How about 1733 complaints against taxi drivers in 1 year in San Francisco alone? https://www.baycitizen.org/news/transportation/cab-complaint... "San Francisco taxi drivers routinely flout the law by refusing rides, declining to take credit cards, charging unauthorized fees, speeding, smoking, and talking and texting on cellphones while driving, according to a year’s worth of passeng…

I was giving examples, it certainly isn't an exhaustive list. How many complaints against Uber in a year? We don't know because there isn't any regulator oversight besides trusting Uber.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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Post by m_t »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #21

Why do we dislike Uber? Lets go through the links. 1) Stuff about the CEO's personal life. 2) CEO wants to automate business processes. Those of us in tech would never consider replacing humans with machines, right? 3) Trying to compete for workers. (Didn't we hate Apple/Google for agreeing not to do this?) 4) We love Peter Thiel and he hates it. 5-7) A few Uber drivers are crazy (Uber is helping the cops). Note that…

  8) Standard french advertising in France.
Guy doesn't live in France or is highly delusional.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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Post by jack-r-abbit »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #122
3beard wrote: post #107

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> They readily treat their drivers like second-class citizens Sure, but that is pretty much par for the course for any low-education job anywhere in the world. Can't blame Uber for being like the rest.

Driving for Uber also requires a significant capital investment and risk assumption, so wages could be expected to be significantly higher than the typical low-education job.

Are people buying cars just to be an Uber driver? Or are people seeing an opportunity to make a little money using the car they already own? If people are buying cars just to be a driver, then I would say that is their own fault for making a bad investment.

Re: Trends: Uber vs. Lyft

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Post by [deleted] »

birken wrote: post #23

If you live in San Francisco, you might consider getting a bike and/or using public transportation instead of ride-sharing services. Either of them are better for the city by reducing congestion and pollution, and biking in particular is surprisingly fast and convenient. If you are interested in getting introduced to biking, there are a bunch of free classes by the SF Bicycle Coalition that I highly recommend you loo…

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