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Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Post by kraftman »

bigwheels wrote: post #89

Any leads on when the next generation of Steam Deck will be released? Hoping it could be sometime in 2025, but suspect it will be more like 2026. Over the holidays I was playing GTA: San Andreas on a Nintendo Switch. It's fun but so underpowered for a game released in 2004 (Yes, 21 years ago! Damn..). I'm really craving something more. As a sidenote, it's really cool Valve allows installing SteamOS on any hardware. T…

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't. Valve don't want to sell hardware, they want to sell games. They only make hardware as flagships for new markets, then they want other hardware manufacturers to take over.

the legion go is more powerful and a has a nice screen, but is heavier, boxier, and has a worse batteyr life than the steam deck

Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Post by aloisdg »

jonny_eh wrote: post #111
adverbly wrote: post #98

Everything valve doing for linux is making such a huge impact. The HL3 memes don't even seem fair to use anymore. I don't even want to un-seriously make joke fun of them at this point. They are just genuinely doing so much for the community.

There's pretty strong rumours that they actually have been working on a new Half-Life. People are hoping it releases with their new hardware in 2026.

Imagine HL3, Portal 3 et L4D3 but all linux only. oh my

Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Post by red-iron-pine »

drannex wrote: post #107
adverbly wrote: post #98

Everything valve doing for linux is making such a huge impact. The HL3 memes don't even seem fair to use anymore. I don't even want to un-seriously make joke fun of them at this point. They are just genuinely doing so much for the community.

To be fair, without the HL3 memes, would Valve ever become as massive as they are now without them constantly teasing and playing into it? (answer: probably, but I would like to believe that this is one of the greatest unintended marketing tactics of the 21st century).

half life releases were tied to new platforms, such as HL2 and its physics engine, or HL Alex and VR kits.

it's like Nintendo having a Mario game for their new hardware, e.g. Mario 64, etc.

there weren't that many teases, nor is it great marketing; CS:GO competitive e-sports is better marketed and probably made Valve more money than any HL wink-wink-nudge-nudge ever would.

Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Post by pphysch »

aloisdg wrote: post #122
jonny_eh wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's pretty strong rumours that they actually have been working on a new Half-Life. People are hoping it releases with their new hardware in 2026.

Imagine HL3, Portal 3 et L4D3 but all linux only. oh my

A killer app is a great way to sell a "console". Windows port can come later.

Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Post by wincy »

kraftman wrote: post #121
bigwheels wrote: post #89

Any leads on when the next generation of Steam Deck will be released? Hoping it could be sometime in 2025, but suspect it will be more like 2026. Over the holidays I was playing GTA: San Andreas on a Nintendo Switch. It's fun but so underpowered for a game released in 2004 (Yes, 21 years ago! Damn..). I'm really craving something more. As a sidenote, it's really cool Valve allows installing SteamOS on any hardware. T…

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't. Valve don't want to sell hardware, they want to sell games. They only make hardware as flagships for new markets, then they want other hardware manufacturers to take over. the legion go is more powerful and a has a nice screen, but is heavier, boxier, and has a worse batteyr life than the steam deck

They definitely are working on it. They announced the steam machine, steam controller, and the valve frame (standalone vr headset with seamless screen sharing from a PC), and in their reveal video the first thing they rather coyly say is “we’d love to share information about our next Steam deck, but that’s for another day!” and announce a bunch of other cool stuff.

Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Post by Xss3 »

jchw wrote: post #73
ZiiS wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It works in the sense it allows you to run the game; but it does not prevent cheating. Obviously, Window's kernel anti-cheet is also only partially effective anyway, but the point of open-source is to give you control which includes cheating if you want to. Linux's profiling is just too good; full well documented sources for all libraries and kernel, even the graphics are running through easier to understand translat…

Anti-cheat is a misnomer; it's much more about detecting cheats more than it is preventing them. For people who are familiar with how modern anti-cheat systems work, actually cheating is really the easy part; trying to remain undetected is the challenge. Because of that, usermode anti-cheat is definitely far from useless in Wine; it can still function insofar as it tries to monitor the process space of the game itsel…

Anticheat devs could REALLY benefit by having some data scientists involved.

Any player responding to ingame events (enemy appeared) with sub 80ms reaction times consistently should be an automatic ban.

Is it ever? No.

Given good enough data a good team of data scientists would be able to make a great set of rules using statistical analysis that effectively ban anyone playing at a level beyond human.

In the chess of fps that is cs, even a pro will make the wrong read based on their teams limited info of the game state. A random wallhacker making perfect reads with limited info over several matches IS flaggable...if you can capture and process the data and compare it to (mostly) legitimate player data.

Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Post by embedding-shape »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #120
adverbly wrote: post #98

Everything valve doing for linux is making such a huge impact. The HL3 memes don't even seem fair to use anymore. I don't even want to un-seriously make joke fun of them at this point. They are just genuinely doing so much for the community.

Honestly dreading the day Gabe has to pass on the torch. Under him valve is such a consumer focused company

When I read what you wrote, I immediately asked myself "Doesn't Gabe have children who could have been raised with the same values? Maybe that..." and then I caught myself thinking exactly the same way as many others before me, and the reason why we have so many shitty politicians in positions of power today.

I hope Gabe has setup Valve in such a way that they can pass on his mentality as a whole inside the business practices themselves. I think, after all these years, he must have surely thought about what leaving would look like for Valve. Considering this is a guy who seemingly thinks in decades, I feel maybe even optimistically calm about it.

Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Post by bigyabai »

Perz1val wrote: post #118

Can someone tell me how much more power efficient is ARM actually? Like under load when gaming, not in a phone that sleeps most of the time. I've heard both claims, that it's still a huge difference and that for new AMD Zen it's basically the same.

It's workload-dependent. On-paper, ARM is more power-efficient at idle and simple ops, but slows down dramatically when trying to translate/compose SIMD instructions.

Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Post by erikerikson »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #120
adverbly wrote: post #98

Everything valve doing for linux is making such a huge impact. The HL3 memes don't even seem fair to use anymore. I don't even want to un-seriously make joke fun of them at this point. They are just genuinely doing so much for the community.

Honestly dreading the day Gabe has to pass on the torch. Under him valve is such a consumer focused company

And Valve has been deeply rewarded as a result. The stance that you must abuse customers to maximize economic success will be looked back upon as the stupidity it is.

Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Post by red-iron-pine »

EA-3167 wrote: post #25
stetrain wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I know Apple has little motivation to support such a project but it would be great to see them work with Valve on this. Having the majority of Steam games "just work" on modern Macs, like they do on the Steam Deck, would be fantastic.

I think it's more than "little motivation" if we're being honest. Right now Valve is quietly targeting MS' attempt to create a walled garden for gaming on Windows and (probably) cut them out. Their very clever approach has been a full end-run around the OS by using Proton, which I'm sure genuinely thrilled Apple... as long as Valve is only doing that to MS. Why would Apple ever invite Valve to potentially do the same…

> Why would Apple ever invite Valve to potentially do the same to them?

apple on a desktop/laptop is not a primary gaming platform; edge cases, at best

mobile gaming is a different story, but at the end of the day apple is making money off of hardware sales first and foremost, esp. w/r/t laptops and phones.

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