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Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by pbronez »

Noaidi wrote: post #89
sho_hn wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except community-developed open source software, which (slowly, perhaps) keeps getting better and has high resistance to enshittification.

This right here is moving me back to GrapheneOS and Linux. I was lucky enough to be able to uninstall Liquid glAss before the embargo. I will miss the power efficiency of my M1, but the trade off keep looking better and better. being poor, I need to sell my Macbook to get money to pay of my 16e, then sell the 16e and use that money to but a Pixel 9, then probably a but a Thinkpad Carbon X1. Just saying all that to sh…

If you already have an M1 MacBook, why no run Asahi Linux?

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Post by jon-wood »

> Apple 2030 is the company’s ambitious plan to be carbon neutral across its entire footprint by the end of this decade by reducing product emissions from their three biggest sources: materials, electricity, and transportation.

But never, ever, through not shipping incremental hardware bumps every year regardless of whether there's anything really worth shipping.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by Romario77 »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #100
mikepurvis wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sixteen years ago, John Gruber wrote: > Hardware and software both matter, and Apple’s history shows that there’s a good argument to be made for developing integrated hardware and software. But if you asked me which matters more, I wouldn’t hesitate to say software. All things considered I’d much prefer a PC running Mac OS X to a Mac running Windows. https://daringfireball.net/2009/11/the_os_opportunity At the time I…

I bet most people around here would prefer fully supported linux over mac os on their apple silicon.

Linux UI is crap compared to Mac.

It's a server or developer box first and a non-technical user second.

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Post by HumblyTossed »

ksec wrote: post #103
mumber_typhoon wrote: post #44

The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). All in all, apple is doing some incredible things with hardware. Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. The M1 itself is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade that for most things most people do on their computers. Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same task…

The Broadcom WiFi support 320Mhz while N1 is stuck with 160Mhz. There were report of N1 not supporting 4096 QAM as well but I didn't check.

"stuck".

An infinitely small percentage of people can take advantage of 320Mhz. It's fine.

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Post by qwertytyyuu »

Hamuko wrote: post #26
alexanderson wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has always been a hardware company first - think of how they sell consumers computers with the OS for free, while Microsoft primarily just sells the OS (when comparing the consumer business; I don’t want to get into all the other stuff Microsoft does). Now that they own the SoC design pipeline, they’re really able to flex these muscles.

Not really. Back in the day you wouldn't buy a MacBook because it was powerful. Most likely it had a very shitty Intel CPU with not a lot of cores and with thermal challenges, and the reason you bought it was because macOS.

not just mac os, also the decent keyboard and actually good display, guarenteed.

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Post by thomascgalvin »

toddmorey wrote: post #6

The modern Apple feels like their hardware teams way outperforming the software teams.

> The modern Apple feels like their hardware teams way outperforming the software teams.

There aren't a lot of tangible gains left to be made by the software teams. The OS is fine, the office suite is fine, the entertainment apps are fine.

If "performance" is shoving AI crap into software that was already doing what I wanted it to do, I'd rather the devs take a vacation.

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Post by burnte »

quest88 wrote: post #10
nik736 wrote: post #2

This is only the base model, no upgrades yet for the Pro/Max version. The memory bandwidth is 153GB/s which is not enough to run viable open source LLM models properly.

What do you mean by properly? What’s the behavior one would observe if they did run an llm?

"Properly" means at some arbitrary speed that the writer would describe as "fast" or "fast enough". If you have a lower demand for speed they'll run fine.

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Post by littlecranky67 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #33
littlecranky67 wrote: post #11

And here I am, selling my Macbook M4 Pro to buy a Macbook Air and a dedicated gaming machine. I've tried gaming on the Macbook with Heroic, GPTK, Whiskey, RPCS3 emu and some native. When a game runs, the performance is stunning for a Laptop - but there is always glitches, bugs and annoyances that take out the joy. Needles to mention lack of support from any sort of online multiplayer, due to the lack of anticheat sup…

Many people blame the lack of OpenGL/Vulkan... but I really don't buy it. It doesn't pass the sniff test as an objection. PlayStation doesn't support OpenGL/Vulkan (they have their own proprietary APIs, GNM, GNMX, PSSL). Nintendo supports Vulkan but performance is so bad, almost everyone uses the proprietary API (NVN / NVN2). Xbox obviously doesn't accept OpenGL/Vulkan either, requiring DirectX. Understanding of Meta…

I don't buy it either, because Apples GPTK works similar as Proton - they have a DX12-to-Metal Layer that works quite well - if it works. And their GPTK is based on wine, just as proton. It is more other annoyances like lack of steam support. There are patched version of steam circulating that run in GPTK though (offline mode) but that is where everything gets finnicky and brittle. It is mostly community efforts, and I think gaming could be way better on Apple if they embrace the Proton-approach that they started with GPTK.

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Post by mcv »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #18

I appreciate Apple propping up the GPU performance of their SoC but it feels a bit pointless when all the libraries they provide are so insular and disconnected from the rest of the industry. I personally wish they would learn from the failure of Metal. Also unleashes ? Really? The marketing madness has to stop at some point.

Soon they'll be stomping all over your calculation problems, and then obliterating them!
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