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Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by knotimpressed »

Noaidi wrote: post #51

I am wondering if Apple's focus is off lately with this drive for AI. So far all they are showing in that presentation is that I can have "the ability to transform 2D photos into spatial scenes in the Photos app, or generating a Persona — operate with greater speed and efficiency." And by making Apple AI (which is something I do not use for many reasons, but mainly because of Climate Change) their focus, I am afraid…

Assuming you've read https://andymasley.substack.com/p/a-cheat-sheet-for-conversa... or the longer full essay/related works, could you elaborate on why you don't use Apple Intelligence?

I totally understand why someone would refuse to use it due to environmental reasons (amongst others) but I'm curious to hear your opinions on it.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by Aperocky »

sho_hn wrote: post #69
geodel wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well besides software that runs in data centers/ cloud most other software is turning to crap. And people who think this crap is fine have now reached to position of responsibility at lot of companies. So things would go only worse from here.

Except community-developed open source software, which (slowly, perhaps) keeps getting better and has high resistance to enshittification.

Remember log4j? I don't share your enthusiasm.

At least its open source and free I guess.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by modeless »

randomtoast wrote: post #8

A unified memory bandwidth of 1,224 gigabits per second is quite impressive.

Nvidia DGX Spark has 273 GB/s (2184 gigabits with your units) and people are saying it's a disappointment because that's not enough for good AI performance with large models. All the neural accelerators in the world won't make it competitive in speed with discrete GPUs that all have way more bandwidth.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by alimbada »

bombcar wrote: post #90
alimbada wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using an iPhone 11 for 4 years now (also, reminder: the 11 was launched 2 years prior to when I bought mine). I replaced the battery earlier this year as it wouldn't last to the end of the day any more but besides that it's showing no slowdowns or any other issues.

Do you have iOS 26 on it? That pigdog is making my 15 Pro Max sweat and cry.

I only just upgraded to iOS 18 recently. I'm unlikely to go to 26 unless there's a good reason to do so.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by makeitdouble »

mcv wrote: post #76
toddmorey wrote: post #6

The modern Apple feels like their hardware teams way outperforming the software teams.

I want this hardware available for other systems.

That won't happen for now:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/report-apple-is-savi...

Apple's chip engineering is top tier, but money also buys them a lot of advance.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by greekrich92 »

steinvakt2 wrote: post #74
Noaidi wrote: post #51

I am wondering if Apple's focus is off lately with this drive for AI. So far all they are showing in that presentation is that I can have "the ability to transform 2D photos into spatial scenes in the Photos app, or generating a Persona — operate with greater speed and efficiency." And by making Apple AI (which is something I do not use for many reasons, but mainly because of Climate Change) their focus, I am afraid…

If you don’t use AI for climate reasons then you should read the recent reports about how little electricity and water is actually used. It’s basically zero (image and video models excluded). Your information about this is probably related to GPT3.5 or something. Which is now 3 years old - a lifetime in AI world.

Big data centers running tons of GPUs and the construction of even bigger ones is not carbon neutral come on

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by ksec »

mcv wrote: post #76
toddmorey wrote: post #6

The modern Apple feels like their hardware teams way outperforming the software teams.

I want this hardware available for other systems.

Modern ARM C1 Ultra Core is only 10% slower than M5, likely even less when you factor in system level cache and memory. So the gap isn't as wide as most people think it is.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by KeplerBoy »

mikepurvis wrote: post #80
linguae wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not the first time this has happened in Apple’s history. The transition from the 68k architecture to the PowerPC brought major performance improvements, but Apple’s software didn’t take full advantage of it. If I remember correctly, even after the PowerPC switch, core elements of the classic Mac OS still ran in emulation as late as Mac OS 9. Additionally, the classic Mac OS lacked protected memory and preempt…

Sixteen years ago, John Gruber wrote: > Hardware and software both matter, and Apple’s history shows that there’s a good argument to be made for developing integrated hardware and software. But if you asked me which matters more, I wouldn’t hesitate to say software. All things considered I’d much prefer a PC running Mac OS X to a Mac running Windows. https://daringfireball.net/2009/11/the_os_opportunity At the time I…

I bet most people around here would prefer fully supported linux over mac os on their apple silicon.
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