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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by Aeolun »

cedws wrote: post #111

There’s only one way unlimited plans work: either the seller gets scammed, or the buyer does. When companies sell unlimited plans, they’re making a bet that the average usage across all of those plans will be low enough to turn a profit. These people “abusing” the plan are well within their right to use the API as much as they want. It just didn’t fall into the parameters Anthropic had expected. LLM subscriptions nee…

> LLM subscriptions need to go away, why can’t we just pay as we go? It’s the fairest way for everyone.

Because Claude Code is absolutely impossible to use without a subscription? I’m fine with being limited, but I’m not with having to pay more than $200/month

Anybody that feels they’re not getting enough out of their subscription is welcome to use API instead.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by jraph »

jennyholzer wrote: post #67
conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

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I've seen a very clever dev use it. I can't know if you are even cleverer, but I'd be cautious.

In any case there are better and stronger arguments against LLMs than this.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by catmanjan »

jennyholzer wrote: post #101
mcny wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dirty secret is most of the time we are NOT working on anything novel at all. It is pretty much a CRUD application and it is pretty much a master detail flow.

I work on novel technologies.

Yeah me too, better off buying something if it already exists

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by ponyous »

danskeren wrote: post #85
epistasis wrote: post #6

I'm trying to cancel my Claude plan right now, because mid-research I got hit with a one hour time out for the first time, and I realized just how little I need the "expensive" research stuff and just want basic language refinement and some basic augmented knowledge search to get more terms to search the web. And all that basic stuff gets cutoff when you hit some invisible barrier that you have no way of controlling…

Claude definitely engage in some shady and illegal behavior. I wanted to see what the annual plan would cost as it was just displaying €170+VAT, and when I clicked the upgrade button to find out (I checked everywhere on the page) then I was automatically subscribed without any confirmation and without ever seeing the final price before the transaction was completed. Turns out that price was €206.50. Getting refunded…

€170 + 21.5% (Irish VAT rate) is €206.55. So not sure what you expected. One complain though in EU B2C companies must show prices with VAT included.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by Bluestein »

epistasis wrote: post #54
energy123 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google and OpenAI have done similar things with their LLM offerings. Gemini Advanced offered 2.5 Pro with nearly unlimited rate limits, then nerfed it to 100/day. OpenAI silently nerfed the maximum context window of reasoning models in their Pro plan. Accompanying the nerf is usually a psy op, like nerfing to 50/day then increasing it to 100/day so the anchoring effect reduces the grievance. It's a smart ploy because…

I had been loyal, but am not any longer, so the ploy definitely did not work with me. I guess I'll move on to Gemini now, until I get sick of it. To the degree there is a moat, I do not think it will be effective at keeping people in. I had already been somewhat disillusioned with the AI hype, but now I am also disillusioned with the company who I thought was the best actor in the space. I am happy that there is unli…

> I had already been somewhat disillusioned with the AI hype, but now I am also disillusioned with the company

Likewise: a faulty, unproven, hallucinating, error-prone service, however good, was a good value at approx 25 USD/month in an "absolutely all you can eat", wholesale regime ...

... now? Reputational risk aside, they force their users to appraise their offering in terms of actual value offered, in the market.-

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by laughingcurve »

jraph wrote: post #92
aeon_ai wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI isn't a stylistic preference or minor enhancement, but cognitive augmentation that allows developers to navigate complexity at scales human cognition wasn't designed for. Just as the developer who refused to adopt version control, IDEs, or Stack Overflow eventually became unemployable , those who reject tools that fundamentally expand their problem-solving capacity will find themselves unable to compete with those…

> cognitive augmentation that allows developers to navigate complexity at scales human cognition wasn't designed for I don't think you should use LLMs for something you can't master without. > will find themselves unable to compete I'd wait a bit more before concluding so affirmatively. The AI bubble would very much like us to believe this, but we don't yet know very well the long term effects of using LLMs on code,…

“I don’t think you should pay others for something you can’t master without [paying].” is one a hell of an argument to make. Good luck trying.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by jennyholzer »

philipp-gayret wrote: post #105
jennyholzer wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO Version Control, IDEs, and Stack Overflow are many degrees of magnitude more valuable than GPT tools. The use cases of these GPT tools are extremely limited. They demo well and are quite useful for highly documented workflows (E.G. they are very good at creating basic HTML/JS layouts and functionality). However, even the most advanced GPT tools fall flat on their face when you start working with any sort of bleed…

That is interesting, in my experience these tools work quite well on larger codebases but it depends how you use them and I haven't really found a counterexample. Do you maybe have a practical example, like a repo you could link that just doesn't work for AI?

GPT tools give piss-poor suggestions when working with the Godot game engine.

The Godot engine is an open-source project that has matured significantly since GPT tools hit the market.

The GPTs don't know what the new Godot features are, and there is a training gap that I'm not sure Open AI and their competitors will ever be able to overcome.

Do you work on web applications? I've found that GPT tools get pretty stupid once you stop working with HTML/JS.

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