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To regard Western and non-Western thought as distinct is to again indulge the fallacy of determined forms and non-fluidity. Going back at least to the time of Alexander the Great before 300BC, there were was constant cross-polination of ideas between Indian and Mediterranean cultures, so that Ashoka used Greek Buddhists to spread the dhamma, and there is some suspicion that Nagarjuna was influenced by Pyrrhonism.

You could say the opposite and say there's no such thing as western, or eastern thought. Even within countries people have different ideas and have very different world views. We can nonetheless generalise certain things.

I don't think that's the opposite of what I said. It's more like an extrapolation. But if I came right out to the person who I was replying to and said there is no such thing as eastern or western thought, everyone would have started jumping up and down ;)

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There is a movie by the name Ship of Theseus which explores the idea in the context of organ donation and transplantation.

I loved the movie. There is one actor by the name of Neeraj Kabi who lost a lot of weight for his role as a monk.

Here is the trailer: https://youtu.be/tzw1ezTTVEY?si=NfsG9sY1R1JjmbVV

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Is this an important metric? I’d imagine a lot of articles across Wikipedia change over time and barely resemble the original article… which is a huge benefit, as opposed to printed encyclopaedias All that matters is that the content is factually accurate, which this seems to be

It's more of an amusing fact, given the topic of the article.

Ahhh okay, I can't believe I missed the irony of this post

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I wonder how much our human body is a ship of theseus.

I was reading about the hb1ac test, and it is a long-term test that analyzes the percentage of your blood hemoglobin chemically linked to sugar.

It is "long-term" because your blood cells have a life span of about 4 months.

(If you manage your blood sugar well, you have to do it for 4 months so that new cells won't be affected and a later test will show improvement.)

so, I wonder how many other cells turn over? You are not you, repeatedly.

Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain

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I wonder how much our human body is a ship of theseus. I was reading about the hb1ac test, and it is a long-term test that analyzes the percentage of your blood hemoglobin chemically linked to sugar. It is "long-term" because your blood cells have a life span of about 4 months. (If you manage your blood sugar well, you have to do it for 4 months so that new cells won't be affected and a later test will show improveme…

Most of the cells in the nervous system (including the brain), as well as muscle cells, last your entire life time

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I believe the solution was given by the great philosopher Pratchett*: "Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only a…

Where to start with reading Sir Terry? I’ve been intimidated in the past. Do you nave to read the others to understand this one?

Just starting with the first book (The Colour of Magic) and continuing in release order is fine. No need to make things more complicated than that.

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I read The Wager earlier this year and it’s implied that every active wooden ship eventually is a ship of Theseus, for a trip from England to the passage around South America at that time many of the ships had to be repaired along the way, though they didn’t start with all new ships.

Are they repairing every board though or is it mostly the same boards in vulnerable areas getting replaced?

IIRC all the wood was vulnerable to either ship worms or rot eventually, they had to replace masts and rudders and scavenge from the least seaworthy ships (and scuttle if necessary) and opportunistically get wood from any island they could make landfall on to make the journey described in the book.

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This hilariously sounds like a possible "defense" in court after being caught stealing said ship. Was it really Theseus's ship?

Here’s a real mystery for you. You’re a worker at a dry dock where you are maintaining a ship. You periodically remove perfectly good parts of the ship and send them away, replacing them with new parts and making falsified records claiming spurious damage that needed to be repaired. At a second facility, the pieces from the original ship are reassembled. Did you steal the ship, or has it been sitting there in drydock…

Even better: get a loan to buy a ship that's collateralized with the ship itself, destruct the ship to sell for parts, and default on the loan!

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-09-13/yields...

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Insufficiently specified. Clearly depends on the details of the repair contract. What?! You mean Theseus didn’t have a contract?!

No. Let's take the more direct approach and move the ship entirely and replace it with a copy. Have you stolen the ship? I suppose legally you could argue you haven't. The registration etc still applies to the customers ship, and unless the customer could demonstrate some kind of emotional attachment, there would be no 'loss'. It's like going to a shop, selecting a tin of beans, when you pay, the cashier swaps it for…

Something something no-cloning theorem prevents this (/s, since of course, we could 'teleport' the ships's quantum state onto the 'new' ship (/s)).
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