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Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022

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Post by godshatter »

Reki wrote: post #100
godshatter wrote: post #86

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This is just something to think about. After I was called back in to the office and started seeing people more often I came down with what I would have sworn was covid three times. Absolutely the worst flu-like symptoms I'd ever had that I could recall, each affecting me in a novel way, but negative on covid each time. They could have been false negatives, of course, but I suspect I just hadn't been training my immun…

There is no scientific evidence for being able to "train your immune system". There is plenty of evidence the opposite happens. Covid especially can cause permanent immune damage.

We have an innate immune responses and adaptive immune responses. Innate immune responses look for common attributes of certain pathogens and then trigger an adaptive immune response if needed. Adaptive immune responses are highly specific to certain pathogens and can provide long lasting immunity to some of those pathogens, such as measles. How would vaccines work if we only had innate immunity?

So being exposed to certain pathogens can trigger a lasting effect, the length of which depends on the pathogen. If that effect has gone away or lessened severely over many months then it makes sense that only the innate immune response would be available against those pathogens, and the adaptive response would need to be learned again.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21070/

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Post by twisteriffic »

mcpackieh wrote: post #85
twisteriffic wrote: post #37

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They can't. It's a comfortable lie, nothing more.

They did. Will you retract your insult?

They didn't. Did you bother to read what they posted? They very obviously didn't read beyond the headline.

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Post by Scoundreller »

Krssst wrote: post #116
Scoundreller wrote: post #72

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What I like about wearing a mask on a plane is that I rebreathe some exhaled moisture. Though I did a flight in mid 2020 and I'd inhale, move mask, take bite/sip, exhale while putting mask back, and then breathe normally through mask. Was probably a bit unnecessary when the flights were basically empty, but reduced-risk eating/drinking is possible.

Also: I find that the air feels warmer in winter when breathing through a mask.

Yeah, it’s up there with water is wet. Ever wonder why your shoulders don’t get dry in winter but your face does?

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Post by tptacek »

idlewords wrote: post #114
tptacek wrote: post #88

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I don't know! But in mandatory masking regimes, ordinary people do a clownish job of masking (and some of the masking rules are themselves clownish, as with the "mask until you get to the dining table, and then unmask as soon as the water arrived", which was very much the regime in Chicago when dining opened back up in 2021). The bigger point would just be to look at the epidemiology. I get that questioning masking p…

One problem with "look at the epidemiology" as an approach is that the virus is such a moving target. I'm citing these figures from memory, so apologies if I mangle them, but with OG covid you could mask up properly and spend an hour in an enclosed space with viral particles in the air and have a low risk of infection, while with omicron you had maybe five minutes masked the same way before you'd catch an infectious…

Yeah, I thought I captured that but didn't. It's an important caveat; there was a much clearer case for masking in 2020-2021.

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Post by lamontcg »

amatecha wrote: post #12
tptacek wrote: post #7

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People shouldn't bother you about wearing a mask, or bother storekeepers who request patrons mask, but a reason to push back on state-mandated masking isn't that COVID isn't serious (it clearly is), but rather that the empirical evidence for masking, especially vs. the new strains, is quite weak

Well, first off I'm going to say "citation needed", but secondly, I haven't had a single transmissible illness since I started wearing KN95 whenever I'm around people indoors. This includes going to crowded markets, trans-continental flights, a recent concert... Of course, wearing some flimsy loose thing that barely even covers your face (like those "surgical" masks that are typically handed out) is certainly going t…

I haven't really had a strong illness since before covid either.

I did finally have a 99.9F fever for a day recently that felt a lot like a vaccine shot.

I haven't been particularly careful about anything for the past 2 years I think.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #42
groestl wrote: post #31

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Wild guess: Could be better measurement in the US, due to litigation/insurances?

I think something like this is most likely. It's rare in Canada for legal action to be taken (or to succeed) for these kinds of things. Though I wouldn't rule out accessibility of care as being in Canada's favour, even with our rather awful doctor and nurse shortages right now. It would be interesting to see these stats broken down by region. Healthcare everywhere is rationed. But in Canada it is mostly rationed on a…

it is rationed in an ability to pay priority -- those with the cash to spend get on a plane to Mexico or Korea or the US.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

wk_end wrote: post #65
seattle_spring wrote: post #59

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Are you suggesting that Canada’s numbers are inflated, even though they match US numbers which are not inflated?

For a variety of reasons - higher uptake of vaccinations (~85% vs ~70%), universal health care coverage, stronger worker protections, better compliance with stronger public health rules and restrictions, lower obesity rates (~30% of adults vs ~40%) - one might suspect that they shouldn't match US numbers. Broadly, I guess I just feel non-specifically like a bunch of articles about COVID in the US in 2020 aren't espec…

meh.... I dunno.

* Identical anti-vax culture and rural-vs-urban divide

* worker protections aren't that much stronger, and the impact on a mega-contagious disease is dubious

* health care coverage isn't universal but is based on the province, and only applies to things inside of a hospital + some other stuff like midwives

* and obesity rates on the old / elderly may be very similar -- since those are the ones who are dying; I'm from the US but in Canada and I see plenty of fat older people but fewer fatass kids.

* also leaving out things like Canada's insanely high COL and associated challenges like heating costs, serious issues with transport and accessability -- if you're in a big city you have good healthcare, but if not then good luck, and a population skewed to the Boomers just like the US who are, again, the ones who are mostly dying from the disease -- it's the older folks.

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Post by seattle_spring »

hollerith wrote: post #113
seattle_spring wrote: post #39

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They died of covid. Any other questions we can answer for you?

Yes: how many of them would have died anyways even if they hadn't gotten covid?

You can check the "excess death" stats to get a good idea. Unsurprisingly, they are pretty similar to the covid death stats.

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Post by seattle_spring »

renegat0x0 wrote: post #112
seattle_spring wrote: post #39

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They died of covid. Any other questions we can answer for you?

In my country if somebody died with COVID, then COVID was found as the reason of death. Hospitals had additional bonuses for writing COVID into reason of death. Therefore I read such statistics with a grain of salt. I find your comment offensive.

> Hospitals had additional bonuses for writing COVID into reason of death

This is an absurd conspiracy theory that has been proven untrue time and time again.

I find your propagation of such debunked nonsense offensive.

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Post by buzzert »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #115
buzzert wrote: post #110

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> (thanks Doug Ford, you incompetent buffoon) I don't understand, why are you blaming a politician for a virus?

A month late getting booster shots into pharmacies and blatantly corrupt games played with sole sourcing the contract to a single pharmacy chain, which itself caused a pile of doses to expire and be thrown out.

A politician was responsible for that? I thought vaccines (in the US at least) are procured by the pharmacies and paid for by the recipients.
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