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Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022

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Post by amatecha »

chrisco255 wrote: post #32
amatecha wrote: post #3

Ah, this is the perfect summary to explain to people when they ask "why are you still wearing a mask? COVID is over" or similar queries invalidating my caution around this virus. Worth noting is it was the 4th-leading cause of death in 2020 and 2021. Not sure why this is being downvoted into oblivion, as I regularly get some hassle from people about my strict adherence to wearing a mask indoors around people, and the…

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I'm not seeing the purpose of your comment. You make an unsupported assertion ("Masks don't prevent Covid") and then invalidate my lived experience with some arbitrary speculation. "Probably had COVID"? Okay? I don't believe I have. Not sure what you're expecting to get out of this, should I just stop wearing masks because HN rando harassed me about it like I already experience in-person for the past X years?

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

groestl wrote: post #31
Arson9416 wrote: post #18

>Complications of medical and surgical care Is the ~30th cause of death in Canada. In US it's the ~3rd. Why the order of magnitude difference? Is US healthcare 10x more incompetent or are these stats massaged?

Wild guess: Could be better measurement in the US, due to litigation/insurances?

I think something like this is most likely. It's rare in Canada for legal action to be taken (or to succeed) for these kinds of things.

Though I wouldn't rule out accessibility of care as being in Canada's favour, even with our rather awful doctor and nurse shortages right now. It would be interesting to see these stats broken down by region.

Healthcare everywhere is rationed. But in Canada it is mostly rationed on a medical priority instead of ability-to-pay priority.

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Post by Eumenes »

lukev wrote: post #9
graphe wrote: post #5

The number by COVID is 19,716. Euthanasia is absent on here but is 13,241 for context. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada

Regardless of one's opinions on if MAID is a good idea, it seems unfair to regard it as a "cause of death". Wouldn't that be more correctly attributable to the underlying condition?

You can say the same thing in regards to how the CDC lumps suicide into "gun violence" deaths but don't blame sleeping pills, ropes, driving cars off bridges, or whatever OTC drug one can buy to reach the same conclusion. Weaponizing data is a government statisticians job.

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Post by hn_ta456 »

chownie wrote: post #22
transcriptase wrote: post #6

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If you're going to make these claims could you source them?

UK not Canada, but it was literally the official metric used during the pandemic - “death within 28 days of a COVID test”. Does what it says - no more, no less.

https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2023/01/27/changes-to-the-way-we-r...

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Post by Jerrrry »

Scoundreller wrote: post #29
Animats wrote: post #11

Current stats for US:[1] Hospital admissions are up to 3x the August-September low. Deaths are way down, though. The vaccines really do work against deaths, and the newer variants are less lethal. Understanding of long COVID at the cellular level is just beginning, but there is progress.[2] [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklyhospi... [2] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.08.09.22278…

> the newer variants are less lethal. Is this true, or does just about everyone have at least some residual immunity from infection/vaccination?

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Post by Aaronstotle »

amatecha wrote: post #12
tptacek wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People shouldn't bother you about wearing a mask, or bother storekeepers who request patrons mask, but a reason to push back on state-mandated masking isn't that COVID isn't serious (it clearly is), but rather that the empirical evidence for masking, especially vs. the new strains, is quite weak

Well, first off I'm going to say "citation needed", but secondly, I haven't had a single transmissible illness since I started wearing KN95 whenever I'm around people indoors. This includes going to crowded markets, trans-continental flights, a recent concert... Of course, wearing some flimsy loose thing that barely even covers your face (like those "surgical" masks that are typically handed out) is certainly going t…

I have only gotten sick once in the last 2 years and I haven't worn any type of mask since restrictions lifted.

Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022

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Post by fakecontent000 »

mv wrote: post #38

I'd be shocked if this was anywhere near reality. Covid hasn't been an issue any of the hospitals that I work at to the point that many doctors and nurses don't even bother with N95 masks when seeing covid patients. It's more likely this is people dying with covid and not from covid. If someone covid positive has a stroke or heart attack which column is that being written in? I have had to write my share of death cer…

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Re: Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022

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Post by wk_end »

Eumenes wrote: post #43
lukev wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of one's opinions on if MAID is a good idea, it seems unfair to regard it as a "cause of death". Wouldn't that be more correctly attributable to the underlying condition?

You can say the same thing in regards to how the CDC lumps suicide into "gun violence" deaths but don't blame sleeping pills, ropes, driving cars off bridges, or whatever OTC drug one can buy to reach the same conclusion. Weaponizing data is a government statisticians job.

Admittedly I'm just guessing here, but I strongly suspect that suicide by OTC drugs are indeed counted as drug overdoses by government statisticians, which seems like it would be the correct analogy?

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

Scoundreller wrote: post #29
Animats wrote: post #11

Current stats for US:[1] Hospital admissions are up to 3x the August-September low. Deaths are way down, though. The vaccines really do work against deaths, and the newer variants are less lethal. Understanding of long COVID at the cellular level is just beginning, but there is progress.[2] [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklyhospi... [2] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.08.09.22278…

> the newer variants are less lethal. Is this true, or does just about everyone have at least some residual immunity from infection/vaccination?

I never tested positive for COVID in the entire 3.5 years of this crap ... until last month. I have had 4 rounds of the vaccine and didn't ever get it in prior winters even when it was in my house (daughter had it before) -- but didn't get my booster in time this fall to do anything about the rather insane wave making its way through the population right now (thanks Doug Ford, you incompetent buffoon). And so I got it, and so did everyone else in our house

And it was rather brutal-awful. Enough so that I felt the need to get on anti-virals. 3 weeks later and I'd say I'm only really recovered right now.

Point being, it seems the vaccinations unfortunately need repeated application, and what's making the rounds right now is nothing to scoff at. For some people, it's mild. For others, pretty awful.

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