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Covid-19 3rd leading cause of death among Canadians in 2022

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Post by Scoundreller »

mv wrote: post #38

I'd be shocked if this was anywhere near reality. Covid hasn't been an issue any of the hospitals that I work at to the point that many doctors and nurses don't even bother with N95 masks when seeing covid patients. It's more likely this is people dying with covid and not from covid. If someone covid positive has a stroke or heart attack which column is that being written in? I have had to write my share of death cer…

> Covid hasn't been an issue any of the hospitals that I work at to the point that many doctors and nurses don't even bother with N95 masks when seeing covid patients.

Damn, where are you at? Got ~75 hospital and care home units in active COVID-19 outbreak right now in Toronto. And outbreak doesn't include people that arrived with it, just spread within the unit.

https://ckan0.cf.opendata.inter.prod-toronto.ca/dataset/outb...

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Post by Arson9416 »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #27
Arson9416 wrote: post #18

>Complications of medical and surgical care Is the ~30th cause of death in Canada. In US it's the ~3rd. Why the order of magnitude difference? Is US healthcare 10x more incompetent or are these stats massaged?

Complications of medical and surgical care isn't in the top 10 for US. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

>Medical errors now vie with COVID-19 infections as the third largest cause of preventable death in the United States.

https://blogs.cdc.gov/safehealthcare/patient-safety-action-p...

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Post by mcpackieh »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #27
Arson9416 wrote: post #18

>Complications of medical and surgical care Is the ~30th cause of death in Canada. In US it's the ~3rd. Why the order of magnitude difference? Is US healthcare 10x more incompetent or are these stats massaged?

Complications of medical and surgical care isn't in the top 10 for US. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_su...

> Analyzing medical death rate data over an eight-year period, Johns Hopkins patient safety experts have calculated that more than 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error in the U.S. Their figure, published May 3 in The BMJ, surpasses the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC’s) third leading cause of death — respiratory disease, which kills close to 150,000 people per year.

> The Johns Hopkins team says the CDC’s way of collecting national health statistics fails to classify medical errors separately on the death certificate. The researchers are advocating for updated criteria for classifying deaths on death certificates.

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Post by mcpackieh »

p1necone wrote: post #24
Arson9416 wrote: post #18

>Complications of medical and surgical care Is the ~30th cause of death in Canada. In US it's the ~3rd. Why the order of magnitude difference? Is US healthcare 10x more incompetent or are these stats massaged?

I wouldn't be surprised if many people in the US just don't go back to the hospital when they get infections etc from surgery because of the medical bills.

That wouldn't count as a medical error. Medical error is when the doctors fuck up, not the patients.

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Post by godshatter »

amatecha wrote: post #3

Ah, this is the perfect summary to explain to people when they ask "why are you still wearing a mask? COVID is over" or similar queries invalidating my caution around this virus. Worth noting is it was the 4th-leading cause of death in 2020 and 2021. Not sure why this is being downvoted into oblivion, as I regularly get some hassle from people about my strict adherence to wearing a mask indoors around people, and the…

This is just something to think about. After I was called back in to the office and started seeing people more often I came down with what I would have sworn was covid three times. Absolutely the worst flu-like symptoms I'd ever had that I could recall, each affecting me in a novel way, but negative on covid each time.

They could have been false negatives, of course, but I suspect I just hadn't been training my immune system for many months and it wasn't prepared to handle the normal cold or flu viruses I would normally be able to handle otherwise. Since that period of time, I haven't come down sick since.

Not saying that covid is nothing to worry about, but it's something you might want to consider down the road. I don't know your situation or what health concerns you might have, but being too protective can have it's downsides as well.

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Post by pixxel »

jihadjihad wrote: post #17

Meanwhile, the official tally of Chinese deaths sits at ~122,000 total [0]. I wonder when, if ever, we will know the true number, especially after the "zero Covid" policy ended. 0: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn

>true number

True numbers. Let’s not allude that only China’s stats are… I’ll be kind and say ‘massaged’. How high is the western “died with Covid” tally?

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Post by tptacek »

graeme wrote: post #74
tptacek wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

N95 vs. KN95 seems like an instructive example: people equate the two based on the effectiveness of the filtering media, but the salient difference is in the attachment mechanism --- most KN95s are ear-loops, and don't achieve especially tight coverings (similarly: the reuse concerns about N95s are less that the filter media can't be "recharged" or whatever, but rather that the elastic gives out). At any rate: masks…

Completely agree that an ear loop is less effective than a headstrap. The question is: by how much? This beard length mask study is a good source of data. They actually measured fitted filtration efficacy at different beard lengths, including zero beard. N95 was near 100%. KN95 was between 80-90% (surprisingly, higher with a small bit of beard, around 0.5-1mm). Now, you could certainly argue that 80-90% filtration is…

I don't know! But in mandatory masking regimes, ordinary people do a clownish job of masking (and some of the masking rules are themselves clownish, as with the "mask until you get to the dining table, and then unmask as soon as the water arrived", which was very much the regime in Chicago when dining opened back up in 2021).

The bigger point would just be to look at the epidemiology. I get that questioning masking pattern matches to COVID nihilism. I'm not a COVID nihilist. It was a big deal for me and I take it seriously. But the data I see suggests that the most significant bit in controlling it is ensuring people are vaccinated, and that most of the rest of the controls don't seem to do much.

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Post by tptacek »

Krssst wrote: post #77
tptacek wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People shouldn't bother you about wearing a mask, or bother storekeepers who request patrons mask, but a reason to push back on state-mandated masking isn't that COVID isn't serious (it clearly is), but rather that the empirical evidence for masking, especially vs. the new strains, is quite weak

I am a developer, not a doctor, so I just rely.on health authorities as imperfect as they are: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm .

Public health authorities didn't exactly cover themselves in glory from 2020-2022. Scientists did! But there's a world of difference between a public health practitioner and a microbiologist or physical chemist or chemical engineer.

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Post by greyface- »

tptacek wrote: post #89
Krssst wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a developer, not a doctor, so I just rely.on health authorities as imperfect as they are: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm .

Public health authorities didn't exactly cover themselves in glory from 2020-2022. Scientists did! But there's a world of difference between a public health practitioner and a microbiologist or physical chemist or chemical engineer.

Are you suggesting that microbiologists, physical chemists, and chemical engineers now claim that properly fitted N95 masks are ineffective in reducing the transmission of current strains of COVID?
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