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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by carlosjobim »

romafirst3 wrote: post #71
carlosjobim wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the US have to do with the article? Why is it a relevant country for comparison?

It's relevant for a sense of perspective for the majority of people who are reading this page (because they come from the US). People quote articles like this in the US to pretend that the EU is suffering from some dystopian crime wave but (from the perspective of the US) the opposite is true.

Even if they come from the US (maybe they don't), what is the purpose of comparing with the US specifically? The situation is dystopian for the victims, just as in the US.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by mrkeen »

alephnerd wrote: post #79
romafirst3 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like an awful place. From wikipedia. "Elegant Östermalm is known for its smart bars and restaurants on Stureplan square, and its cultural venues, such as the Swedish History Museum, displaying Viking weapons. Designer boutiques dot the area near Östermalms Saluhall, a food market known for traditional specialties like gravlax and smoked shrimp. Centered on the imposing National Library of Sweden, tranquil Huml…

You can do the same for anywhere. For example Tenderloin: "Tenderloin in San Francisco is known for its cultural diversity - home to micro-neighborhoods representing the Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, Pakistani, Central Asian, and Yemeni communities. There is a bustling cultural scene with numerous live jazz bars, theaters where bands like The Rolling Stones and Beatles have headlined, and museums highlighting the histori…

I heard Östermalm correctly - it was a vivid memory and where I worked at the time. Reading about "no-go zones" was fresh in my mind.

I remember thinking "Really? Where the Bentley dealership is?" Good luck finding graffiti there, let alone circumstances rough enough to scare the cops away.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by silenced_trope »

occz wrote: post #52
Throwfi44 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to stay there for a month, in shady part of town! Current goverment is at least trying to police those places!

I've lived several months in an area considered to be one of the worst in Sweden, zero problems whatsoever. The standard for bad in Sweden is just pretty damn high.

This seems to be a problem though for migrants who go to a country from a "worse" place.

"The standard for bad here isn't bad" because it was worse elsewhere. Where I live in the US we have this too where migrants who have come here don't see anything bad because where they are from was worse.

They don't see what those of us that have been here from birth have seen. That standards are sliding. Yes, for you the migrant coming from a poorer place, this place is richer. But for me the native this place has become poorer.

And talking about and suggesting we need to stop the backslide gets an eye-roll from the enablers.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by patall »

alephnerd wrote: post #79
romafirst3 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like an awful place. From wikipedia. "Elegant Östermalm is known for its smart bars and restaurants on Stureplan square, and its cultural venues, such as the Swedish History Museum, displaying Viking weapons. Designer boutiques dot the area near Östermalms Saluhall, a food market known for traditional specialties like gravlax and smoked shrimp. Centered on the imposing National Library of Sweden, tranquil Huml…

You can do the same for anywhere. For example Tenderloin: "Tenderloin in San Francisco is known for its cultural diversity - home to micro-neighborhoods representing the Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, Pakistani, Central Asian, and Yemeni communities. There is a bustling cultural scene with numerous live jazz bars, theaters where bands like The Rolling Stones and Beatles have headlined, and museums highlighting the histori…

I guess it's a joke. Östermalm is very unlikely to be counted as a typical no-go zone. The joke is that every area of town can have weird people after dark

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

patall wrote: post #104
nradov wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The usual solution has been to pay some third country to take them.

Yes, like the UK-Ruanda plan. Problem is that this very unethical (regarding the native population of the third country, especially if not very democratic). And has the risk that those countries make a business out of it

>And has the risk that those countries make a business out of it

As opposed to the current state of things where migration is already a big business both legal and otherwise? Check how much money smugglers make.

And the likes of Turkey and North Africa squeezing the EU for money to "prevent migrants crossing the Mediterranean". How's that working out?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by jacquesm »

HHC-Hunter wrote: post #85
fintechie wrote: post #77

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

Anyone who thinks reckless immigration policies don't lead to crime may as well stick their head in sand.

Anyone who thinks that births, breathing and mothers' milk don't lead to crime may as well stick their head in the sand.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by jacquesm »

antics9 wrote: post #111

Shootings occur in all kinds of areas in the major cities, but also in smaller towns. Sweden has also had a worrying number of bombs outside stairwells in residential areas and in detached houses. Therefore, the problems are not only concentrated in marginalized areas or what the Swedish Police call, particularly vulnerable areas. Per capita, Sweden has twice as many gang members as Mexico but you can hardly compare…

Very comparable in the Netherlands, fortunately for now still limited to the larger cities but it is also slowly spreading out from there. Most of this is drug related.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by hakdbha »

fintechie wrote: post #77

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

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