Toyota's new $10k pickup

Post by dragonwriter » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 6:18 PM UTC

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Am I missing something or is this regulation as dumb as I think it is? It seems to have the effect of replacing a bunch of small trucks on the road with giant trucks that get much worse mileage overall.

It's beyond dumb and currently all stick and no carrot. By that I mean - at least in CA - a huge state bureaucracy including visual inspections that essentially precludes any real modifications to vehicles - unless you see a referee in which case it is a crapshoot on approval. We would IMO be better served by larger tax incentives on electric, and reduce the CARB bureaucracy enormously - insist on a simple tailpipe t…

Post by local_crmdgeon » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 6:42 PM UTC

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You can still buy those, typically ex-contractor vehicles at auction. Crank windows, cloth bench, long bed, crappy radio.

I have a 2 door late 2000’s Ford Ranger I’ve been driving for the past decade. Crank windows and the vinyl seats are falling apart and it’s my favorite vehicle I’ve ever owned. Low maintenance costs: only had one actual mechanical problem, bad coil pack, since I’ve owned it and I’ve had the sway bar replaced but otherwise nothing. other than that it’s only been batteries, oil and tires and registration/insurance. I b…

Post by local_crmdgeon » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 6:51 PM UTC

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I mean, $10000 is almost enough to ignore just how ugly that thing is. I just don't see the comparison to the 70 series or Hilux, except vaguely, maybe similar to La Croix's relationship to water. To be clear, I find the effort they put into "styling" it ugly; if they committed and made a utilitarian vehicle without the style-effort, it likely would look great.

Post by tonyedgecombe » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 8:03 PM UTC

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The safety regulations can't be working though as road traffic fatalities are increasing.

Aren't the safety regulations just for vehicle occupants, not the other vehicles/pedestrians that the oversized trucks annihilate?

Post by jeffwask » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 9:35 PM UTC

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Toyota used to have a pickup called "pickup" that was awesome. Small, light, but a full-sized bed. minimal with little to break - manual transmission, crank up windows, bench seat, etc. I guess they rely on full-sized american pickup habits and creative financing to get folks to buy more expensive and bulkier trucks.

I think it's what was called the Hilux elsewhere, and Top Gear did a fun part about it showing how indestructible it was (spoiler: very).