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Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by tehwebguy »

jeffwask wrote: post #24
MarkusWandel wrote: post #16

In other words, a pickup truck! Not a giant SUV masquerading as one, with a 5ft bed and 5-passenger luxury car cab, with price to match. I'm old enough to remember normal pickup trucks, affordable for actual "work" use, with bench seating for three, full 8x4 bed with half ton cargo capacity and not much else.

I want a 15+ year old truck with this exact configuration as beater for dump and hardware/Lanscaping runs. They are virtually impossible to locate.

Set up a Craigslist alert in your earnest few cities for Toyota within the model years you want and you’ll have one for under $5k in 45 days

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by somewhereoutth »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #64
stevage wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Metric tonne.

For additional confusion's sake, I got it wrong - It's not an "Imperial" ton in the US, but a "Customary" ton. There's also a British "Imperial" ton, and sometime called the "Long ton" (whereas the US Customary unit is also called the "Short ton". The Imperial Ton is 2240 pounds, which if you're dyslexic is the same as the Metric Ton's 2204.6 pounds. Don't forget the metric fucktonne, as well.

Which, confusingly, is almost invariably spelt 'metric fuckton'

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by wkjagt »

m463 wrote: post #74
jeffwask wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want a 15+ year old truck with this exact configuration as beater for dump and hardware/Lanscaping runs. They are virtually impossible to locate.

Toyota used to have a pickup called "pickup" that was awesome. Small, light, but a full-sized bed. minimal with little to break - manual transmission, crank up windows, bench seat, etc. I guess they rely on full-sized american pickup habits and creative financing to get folks to buy more expensive and bulkier trucks.

I think it's what was called the Hilux elsewhere, and Top Gear did a fun part about it showing how indestructible it was (spoiler: very).

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by samsolomon »

samketchup wrote: post #17
fwungy wrote: post #11

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Toyota has a small pickup in the works for the US market to compete with the Ford Maverick, which is a huge success. Probably won't see it till 2027.

The Maverick is nowhere near a success. Powertrain issues aside, it was nearly impossible to buy the $20,000 trim of the truck. Sure you can buy a $40,000 optioned out hybrid version, but a used Frontier or Tacoma is a much better option for a $20,000 truck.

It’s been a smashing success for ford. The reason it was impossible to buy is the Ford sold the entire year’s production in a few days.

Ford misjudging demand is a screw up, but it’s definitely a been a success.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by gottorf »

ponector wrote: post #96
devilbunny wrote: post #85

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CAFE regs also killed the station wagon (estate for you Brits) in the US. Being regulated as cars, station wagons murdered the manufacturers' averages - but minivans, which barely existed in the US (other than the VW Bus) before the mid-80s, were light trucks and so had different (lower) standards. My mom's 1987 minivan got worse mileage than the 1980 station wagon it replaced, and the only advantage it had was that…

Are wagons killed? Many european cars have versions both sedan and wagon. Wagons just not popular anymore. Look like everyone wants a SUV these days.

> Many european cars have versions both sedan and wagon.

BMW's 3- and 5-series wagons are no longer sold in the US. Audi only has the A4 and A6 Allroad versions. Mercedes-Benz has only the E-class wagon remaining. Volvo, long the king of European wagons in the US, recently restored two models. So yeah, unfortunately for the most part they're out.

> Look like everyone wants a SUV these days.

This is true. Most of those wagons that were phased out became equivalent SUV models.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by cf100clunk »

The RV world has a dearth of light, towable vehicles for pulling behind Class A and Class C types. The margins and target audience are not big, but a truck like this would definitely sell into that market.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by rewmie »

avar wrote: post #56
rewmie wrote: post #31

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> Oooh, I would _absolutely_ buy one of these to tow with. From an outsider, that's the thing that baffles me the most about the current state of the whole world's auto industry. Sometimes it seems that all auto makers are colluding to prevent any competition based on price, and are instead invested in forcing this notion that the only possible consumer pressure is on seeking luxury features like onboard computers, t…

The reason is government regulation. I'm not saying that increased safety and emission standard are bad, but they're the main thing driving up car prices. How can I assert that with confidence? Because all you need to do is to look up what the cars that are illegal to sell in the US, EU and countries that are similarly regulated. E.g. South Africa has pickup trucks starting at around $15k, new: https://briefly.co.za/…

> The reason is government regulation. I'm not saying that increased safety and emission standard are bad, but they're the main thing driving up car prices.

I don't think that is remotely true. You're commenting on a discussion on Toyota launching a $10k pickup, and there is absolutely no suggestion this price is achieved by ignoring regulation.

Re: Toyota's new $10k pickup

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Post by aidenn0 »

devilbunny wrote: post #85
rurp wrote: post #63

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Am I missing something or is this regulation as dumb as I think it is? It seems to have the effect of replacing a bunch of small trucks on the road with giant trucks that get much worse mileage overall.

CAFE regs also killed the station wagon (estate for you Brits) in the US. Being regulated as cars, station wagons murdered the manufacturers' averages - but minivans, which barely existed in the US (other than the VW Bus) before the mid-80s, were light trucks and so had different (lower) standards. My mom's 1987 minivan got worse mileage than the 1980 station wagon it replaced, and the only advantage it had was that…

What I've always wondered is: Does the larger footprint lead directly to a taller truck?

Is is it just that an F-150 that is as tall as a 1990 Ranger would look silly or something? The 1990s Buick Roadmaster Estate is not just 17" shorter in length than an F-150 Super Cab with a 6.5' bed, but also 17" shorter in height, which makes a sharing the road with these trucks bad (even before they are raised, which seems relatively common).

My dad wanted an 8' bed standard cab for his work and got an old one with almost 200k miles and I was slightly surprised to see it wasn't a step-up cab, while it seems like all modern trucks are.

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The Roadmaster Estate is also 8" shorter in height than the Ford Maverick, despite having a longer length; granted the Buick keeps its maximum height for a longer part of the length, but it has a shorter hood, and from the cab-back the Maverick doesn't go under 50" until the bumper.

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