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Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by jeffrallen »

danparsonson wrote: post #46
leipert wrote: post #15

> A group of 50 applicants submit resumes for a job. 10 or so of them are delusional, and get cut. I think the author never worked in hiring for an org that got a lot of applicants. When I was a hiring manager, we sometimes opened reqs and got hundreds of applications within the first one or two days.

Not to mention that a 20% delusional rate is pretty unlikely - more like 50-75% in my experience.

And that's before you even get to fizz buzz, where you lose all hope in humanity and start wondering if maybe the AIs should end software development as a profession.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by Ecstatify »

snozolli wrote: post #115
jensneuse wrote: post #7

I keep giving this advice on how to significantly increase your chances of getting to the interview stage. Most candidates really only submit a resume. The chances of getting to the interview stage with this approach are almost zero. Because everyone does this, you can easily stand out. Simply answer the following 2 questions briefly in plain English. 1. Why do you want to take this role? 2. Why are you a good fit fo…

From your link: WunderGraph is an all-in-one solution to build, integrate, deploy and monitor modern APIs. We empower developers to ship faster and with confidence. What does any of that even mean? If I'm submitting an application, it's because you listed specific skills and experience requirements and I meet them. I'm not going to {insert euphemism here} just to satisfy your ego. Your hiring approach favors bullshit…

ChatGPT to the rescue!

Take all the buzzwords from the landing page and ask ChatGPT to write you a cover letter

Dear [Recipient's Name],

As a passionate professional who thrives on delivering fast and reliable user experiences across platforms, I am excited to apply for the [Job Title] position at Wundergraph. Your organization's commitment to providing an all-in-one solution that empowers businesses with confidence caught my attention, and I am eager to contribute to the growth and success of your team.

Having worked extensively with various technologies, I have developed a reputation as a full-stack powerhouse, proficient in creating and implementing seamless solutions. I am vendor agnostic, ensuring that I can seamlessly integrate diverse technologies, regardless of the provider. This approach has led me to create products that are truly transformative, leaving no room for guesswork and providing a smooth, efficient experience for users.

Throughout my career, I have focused on products and services that are trusted by clients and loved by the community. The feedback I have received for my work is a testament to my dedication to excellence and my ability to deliver exceptional results. With a "batteries included" mindset, I am always prepared to go the extra mile, ensuring that every project is executed with precision and consistency.

I am particularly drawn to Wundergraph because of its emphasis on providing solutions that require no DevOps intervention. Your organization has a proven track record of producing top-quality products that transform businesses and enable them to scale effortlessly. I am confident that my skills and experience will allow me to make an immediate impact on your team.

In conclusion, I am excited about the opportunity to contribute my expertise to Wundergraph as we empower businesses to thrive in an ever-changing landscape. I am confident that my experience as a full-stack powerhouse, combined with my passion for creating fast and reliable user experiences, will make me a valuable asset to your team.

Thank you for considering my application. I am looking forward to the opportunity to further discuss my qualifications with you and explore how my expertise can contribute to Wundergraph's continued success.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by Uptrenda »

jensneuse wrote: post #7

I keep giving this advice on how to significantly increase your chances of getting to the interview stage. Most candidates really only submit a resume. The chances of getting to the interview stage with this approach are almost zero. Because everyone does this, you can easily stand out. Simply answer the following 2 questions briefly in plain English. 1. Why do you want to take this role? 2. Why are you a good fit fo…

I don't really agree. If a person has the skills to solve a companies problems then that should be everything required. Why do you expect people to have to jump through hoops to fake enthusiasm? The reality is software engineers have a million ideas they would rather be working on than a day job. Most people don't work jobs because they want to. They do it to earn a pay check to pay bills. If someone can do high quality relevant work that's all that should be needed.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by Uptrenda »

Yoric wrote: post #119
andrewstuart wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This attitude is well suited to an employers market in which you need to profess your love for the job and company as part of your job application. A pity the market has turned back this direction. It’s usually accompanied by an employer “looking for someone who loves the opportunity enough to go through our 12 week, 9 interview, 1 whiteboard, 2 coding test process which usually ends in veto and ghosting”. Like telli…

Fun fact: I'm currently through an interview process that has lasted 11 weeks so far, including 12 discussions, 1 system design, 2 coding, 3 behavioral. The employer has informed me several times that they intend to make an offer and that my salary expectations are within their range... but they've been postponing the offer for 3 weeks now and clarified yesterday that they want me to profess that I'm more interested…

This sounds sketchy and unprofessional. I'm surprised you said yes to that many interviews...

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by zerr »

version_five wrote: post #111
anothernewdude wrote: post #83

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Resumes are the thing I look through. Cover letters are discarded before reading.

Just happened to see this. If your buying say, steel, presumably you care very little about the supplier, their story, etc. You want specs (carbon content, hardness, annealing temperature, whatever) and price. Likewise, hiring people as commodities, you don't care about the cover letter, you want to know where they went to school and want experience they have. If you're trying to hire a person as opposed to a commodi…

You are missing the point - CV is the story. Some prefer prose, others prefer structured text. You should not penalize anyone due to their preferences of the form.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by Yoric »

musicale wrote: post #55
jacobriis wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn’t tell if this is satire. Love it.

The era of AI-written recruitment pitches has begun.

Yep. I've been following recruiter groups on LinkedIn, there are a number of prompts circulating for that purpose.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by andrewstuart »

Yoric wrote: post #119
andrewstuart wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This attitude is well suited to an employers market in which you need to profess your love for the job and company as part of your job application. A pity the market has turned back this direction. It’s usually accompanied by an employer “looking for someone who loves the opportunity enough to go through our 12 week, 9 interview, 1 whiteboard, 2 coding test process which usually ends in veto and ghosting”. Like telli…

Fun fact: I'm currently through an interview process that has lasted 11 weeks so far, including 12 discussions, 1 system design, 2 coding, 3 behavioral. The employer has informed me several times that they intend to make an offer and that my salary expectations are within their range... but they've been postponing the offer for 3 weeks now and clarified yesterday that they want me to profess that I'm more interested…

You have the right to confirm likely salary offer after interview number two.

Unfortunately there’s a really strange thing that happens in very long interview processes, is the employer starts to think something is wrong because the process has taken so long, despite the process being driven by them.

Anyhow, to your situation…. It is now an employers market and some of them need to feel loved.

So you should effusively tell them that you love the company and love the job.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by em-bee »

Ekaros wrote: post #100
Leherenn wrote: post #96

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Isn't there some healthy middle ground? I find some domains more interesting than others, I prefer some technical aspects over others. Some projects make more sense to me, or at least make me feel better. Not enough to start my own company, but enough that the options leaning towards those will have the nod. You can be engaged without dedicating your life to it.

I think it is more question that if a startup ask for passion and believe in their marketing. And one really had that, would it not be better to drive it yourself? For those with not that strong convictions. Picking up reasonably interesting roles and fields where they have some skill coverage is entirely reasonable way to do things. Go for roles and companies you can be content with.

not everyone who believes in a business has the resources or the will, or even the skill to do that. also, if i believe in a business, that doesn't mean it makes sense to compete with them.

to give an example, i really love what valve is doing for gaming on linux. i would love to work for them. are you suggesting that i should start my own gaming company?

if i really like a company, i want to see that company succeed, not start another.

also, for myself, i really don't want to work for a company whose business i don't believe in. i would, if it was the only option, but if i have a choice then i prefer to work for a company whose business goals and practices i can agree with.

with startups in particular, there is also the issue that, if i don't believe in their business, that means i won't believe that they will be successful and then it doesn't make sense to work there.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by nottorp »

chocolatkey wrote: post #87
gymbeaux wrote: post #54

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There has to be a better way. I really think TripleByte was on to something. No other profession has such a convoluted interviewing system. Imagine if doctors were expected to perform surgeries in X minutes in order to prove they were qualified for the job? Imagine if a lawyer had to prove they graduated from law school by defending a random felon in a court setting. No other profession in existence expects candidate…

Just to be clear since you replied to my comment, coding demonstrations are almost never a part of my interview process. That's not the part I was complaining about. Once I have narrowed down the potential applicants to a few, I do 15-30m interviews where we talk about things on their resume (e.g. "how did you solve X problem at Y job?") or list of skills (e.g. "how would you do task A with tech B?"), and their reaso…

> they don't really bother setting a profile pic or anything for their Discord

I dont have a Discord profile pic or personal info filled in in principle. Ive also disabled the exhibitionist “I am playing this now” feature. That makes me a scammer right?

Or maybe … privacy oriented?

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