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Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by pc86 »

thriftwy wrote: post #5
bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

How come they get to keep money for the service not provided? Should be strictly illegal.

It is, and they don't. FB ads are charged in arrears, no money would have been kept for ads not displayed. The GP is misinformed (at best).

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Post by pGuitar »

hrbf wrote: post #14

> Mark Zuckerberg has created a monster that has no oversight. You don’t say? I’m shocked I tell you. Hopefully this will at least generate more buzz for the movie than Facebook could have.

They tell you that there's no oversight so that they aren't held responsible.

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Post by philipov »

kelnos wrote: post #32
wodenokoto wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It probably is, but not all jurisdictions have a small claims court and even those that do, it can be quite cumbersome compared to the lost money

And if you do it, Facebook will probably retaliate by permanently closing your account.

In the case in question, Facebook began by permanently closing the account in a capricious and unprovoked attack. Retaliation is irrelevent: Facebook is an aggressor.

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Post by bwb »

protomolecule wrote: post #118
bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

Would you share the link to the book? Genuinely interested in reading

Yep, it is 5 Stars by Louise Blackwick: https://www.amazon.com/5-Stars-Louise-Blackwick-ebook/dp/B09...

Really cool author out of the Netherlands, I highly recommend the book. It is dark sci fi, and she calls it "Neon Science Fiction". Which sums the story up nicely (dark and gritty with a flippant attitude)

I believe the line she got hit with was "Can You Beat The Neon God's Algorithm?"

She also did a list on my site about books that inspired her creation of neon science fiction (and how she defines that): https://shepherd.com/best-books/inspired-neon-science-fictio...

Let me know what you think if you read it! There was one scene in the book I can't get out of my head... ever...

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Post by ZiiS »

ahallock wrote: post #77
bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

Beats by Dre must have a difficult time.

They may well have meant that "beat"; given Apple's push back on their tracking.

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Post by dane-pgp »

philippejara wrote: post #105
michaelmrose wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Democracy isn't a king of the hill match, if some loonies managed to take over the capitol they'd just get siege'd out. How do you honestly think this would go? they take the capitol and trump shows up and says "im the president for another term" then everyone goes home and ignores the corpse of Mike Pence?

> How do you honestly think this would go?

They destroy the certifications of the electoral votes from the states (as almost happened[0]), causing various states to (disingenuously) disagree about how to replace the lost documents.

Enough FUD (and lawsuits, and delays) would be generated during this period of public disorientation that the Republican party could exploit the ambiguity of the Constitutional phrase "a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed"[1] and trigger the contingent election procedure described in the Twelfth Amendment.[2]

Since a majority of states at the time had Republican representation, they would have elected Trump and the Democrats would have not been able to stop them, even if Trump did eventually let them back into the Capitol.

[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/senate-aides-rescued-elector...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Act#Majority_o...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingent_election

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by nradov »

obayesshelton wrote: post #9

This is because Facebook is a Publisher. They will never admit it but FB/META can decide what users can see. This is the what a Publisher does. The issue we have is that if you let the users decide what is shown on any platform it would be quite a mess.

So what? "Publisher" isn't a defined legal category in this context. Even if Facebook is a publisher that doesn't create any legal obligations.

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Post by DoctorOW »

hfbff wrote: post #50

"This is the action of haters – and there are sadly many in our society – who seek to damage the film in order to trivialize the Holocaust" Newton told Rolling Stone at the Toronto Film Festival. There are a lot of stupid things Facebook is doing, but why, of all things, would you accuse them of trivializing the Holocaust? If anything, this kind of accusations (using the Holocaust as a defense for everything) trivial…

I think this might be implicitly accusing holocaust deniers of mass reporting and spreading misinformation about the content of the film so it gets pushed up the reporting queue and a Google search returns at least some results that appear to verify the false claims. This happens often enough to be recognized in marginalized communities.

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Post by Kerrick »

lbriner wrote: post #93

There still seem to be some many basics that FB and YouTube get wrong with their "automatic" video moderation. Use people's "report" button clicks as an early indicator that something should be looked at - a big flag. Look at certain words or phrases that are either unambiguously bad or possibly like "kill" or "why I hate ..." - a medium flag Phrases that are less certain, = a small flag. Block some things proactivel…

"Why I hate killing spiders & how to ethically rid your house of pests" -- Not flag-worthy at all.
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