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Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by hetspookjee »

danskeren wrote: post #50
Method-X wrote: post #35

I love how there are now many little search engines trying to differentiate themselves from Google. A few others worth checking out are: 1. https://search.brave.com (they use their own index / my personal favourite) 2. https://kagi.com 3. https://neeva.com

I'd like to throw mine into the mix (we're a non-profit that plans to donate 80% of our profits to other non-profit organizations and charities, but we need more traffic before Google will enable ads, so at the moment then we're ad-free and not generating any income to donate): https://ask.moe

I want to suggest a different wording in the sentence where you say you’re a non-profit that donates 80% of the profits.

How can a non-profit make profit to share? Don’t you mean the income?

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by freediver »

bryans wrote: post #119
freediver wrote: post #75

Let's see... Under their proposed profit share, if they achieved DDG levels of traffic (100M queries/day, assuming $0.01 per query in net ads profit, that is $900k/day distributed among conservatively speaking 10M creators/sites) distribution would be $0.09 /day to an average content creator owning an average site. It does not sound much. If it was to magically fully replace Google tomorrow (10B queries/day) it would…

Why would it be a search engine's role to provide the entirety of every creators' livable wage? That would obviously be impossible for many reasons, and I don't see Yep making any claims about being a primary (or even significant) revenue source. Instead, they're proposing that the value of search comes from the end content, not the results page. The creator revenue stemming from that is inherently the appropriate am…

It seems we read the same article and understood it differently. The announcement post said :

"Say Anne from Kentucky helps 4,000 people learn how to build container gardens via her Wordpress blog every month. She would receive $1,000 monthly from the search engine in return."

To me this sounds like the idea of this model is to allow an average person doing casual blogging to make significant income? Given this premise, can we make it work?

To be clear I absolutely love the idea, I think it sounds fair and in the spirit of the web that I would like to see. The web needs innovative ideas like this, unfortunately I do not see this concrete one being viable.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by wonderbore »

colordrops wrote: post #105
swinnipeg wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Been using ahrefs for years, not sure what is sleazy about it. It audits your site for issues, shows Google rankings for keywords, estimated volume for keywords, backlinks to specific sites, backlinks to specific pages...etc. It doesn't do anything for SEO (no content, no links...etc), it simply reports on the state of affairs.

SEO itself is sleazy. Any gaming of search is sleazy, whether active or passive. The NSA is sleazy, even though they simply report on "the state of affairs".

I get this sentiment. "SEO" is basically an euphemism for spamming at this point. It's no longer just "Let's repeat this keyword 3 times" but "let's add 120 footer links and spam 35 blog comment sections per day"

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by wonderbore »

patrickstox wrote: post #117
nacs wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This needs to be higher up. If you go to the about section of Yep.com, you can see this is powered by the "Ahrefs" bot (not just for sourcing crawler data but also run by the same people). Ahrefs is a sleazy "SEO tool" ( https://ahrefs.com/pricing ) that basically exists to exploit weaknesses in search engine algorithms and other shady things (and make lots of money doing it -- $99/mo to $999/mo).

Folks here have a really strange view of SEO. These days it's really following guidelines, creating content that people want to see and is useful to searchers, linking to sources, etc.

It really depends on who you ask. The most "successful" companies don't whitehat their way there. Just open any modern social media website and tell me if they are respectful of the users — and you can see that part. SEO is mostly invisible so they really don't have to care about you.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by puranjay »

nacs wrote: post #59
SahAssar wrote: post #24

I don't trust Ahrefs at all. The whole SEO industry is tainted, and Ahrefs is not a good part of it. I don't want a search engine that pays "creators" (a search engine finds things, if they want to monetize it it is after it is found). I want a search engine that runs exactly as many ads as are needed to pay for itself, nothing more. Preferably with an option to pay for myself as an option. I'm guessing that means ht…

This needs to be higher up. If you go to the about section of Yep.com, you can see this is powered by the "Ahrefs" bot (not just for sourcing crawler data but also run by the same people). Ahrefs is a sleazy "SEO tool" ( https://ahrefs.com/pricing ) that basically exists to exploit weaknesses in search engine algorithms and other shady things (and make lots of money doing it -- $99/mo to $999/mo).

What exactly is “sleazy” about Ahrefs? Its literally just data.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by eek2121 »

botsbreeder wrote: post #96
freediver wrote: post #75

Let's see... Under their proposed profit share, if they achieved DDG levels of traffic (100M queries/day, assuming $0.01 per query in net ads profit, that is $900k/day distributed among conservatively speaking 10M creators/sites) distribution would be $0.09 /day to an average content creator owning an average site. It does not sound much. If it was to magically fully replace Google tomorrow (10B queries/day) it would…

Not all content is equal. Good content require efforts, often efforts of a team. Youtube is a good example of how revenue share will work in practice. Some creators are getting millions there, some maybe hundreds. But as a consumer you can find good content for almost any topic you can think of. Revenue share amount from Youtube is a few times less than what Google search is making https://abc.xyz/investor/static/pdf…

Youtube is slowly killing itself with abusive revenue practices but ignore THAT bombshell for a moment and focus on why you are wrong. Hint: it actually has almost nothing to do with the fact that a large portion of internet users don't like videos.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by puranjay »

Spivak wrote: post #100
encoderer wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ah yes the sleazy underbelly of “researching what users are actually searching for”

Quoted post unavailable.

Yeah, a bad article ranking higher is obviously graverobbing

/s

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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Post by camkego »

swinnipeg wrote: post #84
nacs wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This needs to be higher up. If you go to the about section of Yep.com, you can see this is powered by the "Ahrefs" bot (not just for sourcing crawler data but also run by the same people). Ahrefs is a sleazy "SEO tool" ( https://ahrefs.com/pricing ) that basically exists to exploit weaknesses in search engine algorithms and other shady things (and make lots of money doing it -- $99/mo to $999/mo).

Been using ahrefs for years, not sure what is sleazy about it. It audits your site for issues, shows Google rankings for keywords, estimated volume for keywords, backlinks to specific sites, backlinks to specific pages...etc. It doesn't do anything for SEO (no content, no links...etc), it simply reports on the state of affairs.

The page title of the ahrefs.com site is: "SEO Tools & Resources To Grow Your Search Traffic"

So, it seems Ahrefs describes itself as "SEO Tools..."

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