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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by paulryanrogers »

staticman2 wrote: post #22
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

Switch has better battery life than Deck, has a supply chain which is actually able to aquire parts in mass quantities and sell to a large number of customers, and is more user friendly than any PC will ever be. I'll be buying a Deck in a few months when my preorder is ready to ship, but it's a niche product for tech enthusiasts while Nintendo makes mass market products for the general public.

Deck is a niche experimental product. Yet Nintendo didn't get where it is with conservative hardware. Since the NES they've pushed the mainstream in different directions: smooth scrolling, thumbstick, portables, dual screens, 3D portable, stylus, etc. Valve may do the same if they can deliver the polish needed.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by marcofiset »

jonny_eh wrote: post #12
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> Brand exclusives and a low console price are all it's got A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

Who's saying better games? Exclusivity != quality.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by epolanski »

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

Their brand exclusives are by far the most envied.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by ectospheno »

Everyone on HN when someone isn’t paying them for their product : “How dare they, everyone be mad at them with me.”

Everyone on HN when something they don’t want to pay for does the same thing: “How dare they, everyone be be mad at them with me.”

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by [deleted] »

caddemon wrote: post #94
hombre_fatal wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch has an e-shop with expensive games that will eventually get offlined within a couple generations like the ones before it vs. Steam, an e-shop with every game, for cheaper, including all the games people bought over the last two decades. I can imagine how disruptive a successful Steam entry into the console space could be once people realize they are tired of "renting" $60 games from ad-hoc console e-shops.

Anything downloaded from the Switch e-shop will continue to work locally on that Switch, and all the mainstream games can be bought as a cartridge if desired. It's not fundamentally different than dragging out my old N64 to play my old games from the 90s. I don't consider that "renting", and I can't remember the last time I had the desire to play one of my decade+ old games anyway. Very few of them aged well compared…

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by JoshTriplett »

forgotmyoldacc wrote: post #58
JoshTriplett wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. I have an actual physical NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, Gamecube, and Wii, along with games. The NES and SNES don't reliably run games anymore. I expect the others to eventually follow. And emulation provides better graphics, better features, portability (e.g. playing on a device you can travel with), creativity…

Is it difficult to notice that you're in the minority here?

It's not acceptable to prohibit a use case because some people are using it for illicit purposes, assuming that all aren't.

Game producers would like to claim that all such uses are fundamentally illicit. The point of my comment was to reject that claim, not to claim that the majority of users are licit.

(There's a separate argument that I'd also make that all such uses should be entirely accepted, but that's an orthogonal argument that I'm not making here.)

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by JoshTriplett »

asimops wrote: post #97
snarfy wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just because you purchased it once doesn't give you the right to it indefinitely Did I buy it or rent it? If I bought it then I damn well do have the right to it indefinitely.

One might say that you bought a license to a game. And that license includes only being run from the physical copy you received. Nintendo is only getting worse with this over time. Just see for example the Breath of the Wild DLC... No physical copy to be obtained, forever bound to your nintendo account.

> One might say that you bought a license to a game

One might claim that, and that claim should be rejected.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by TuringTest »

vlunkr wrote: post #104
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> The Steam deck doesn't just threaten the outdated hardware of the switch in terms of games and gaming performance, it threatens Nintendo's platform on its own turf. I really doubt it. - It doesn't include a dock or any external controller without paying more. This was the entire pitch for the Switch - It's more expensive and has worse battery life. Better graphics don't matter that much on a tiny screen. (Game Gear…

> Valve has a bad track record for committing to their own hardware. Remember how everyone also thought SteamOS was going to be the big takeover and it barely even happened?

You seem to be unaware that SteamOS was a a resounding success in its primary goal: to stop in its tracks Microsoft's plan to turn the Windows OS into a locked-down walled garden that would run only MS-approved software* (by threatening them to switch the majority of gamers to Linux). Microsoft has never attempted such thing again to the same extent, and even XBox games are largely PC compatible.

That Valve has learned a lot about porting Windows games to Linux and they went through all the early labor pains, so that a few years later they have a robust and stable platform for their new competitive device, is just icing on the cake.

* For a hint of this backstory, see https://www.pcworld.com/article/394953/why-does-the-steam-de...

> it's just not going to be as smooth as a console with a dedicated OS. I'm guessing lots of people will install windows.

This is a console with a dedicated OS (which just happens to be Windows retro-compatible, thanks to Valve's Proton layer). Given the success it looks set to have, publishers won't be able to afford not to optimize their future AAA games for the device.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by usrusr »

genewitch wrote: post #78
usrusr wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a MacOS on third party hardware situation to me. Brand dilution and all that. I wouldn't expect that before they are end-of-days desperate.

the mid-90s called, they said "been there, done that". I can't even remember what other brands apple licensed their stuff to, but there were macintosh clones.

Yeah, it was a reference to that time. It brought Apple so close to the grave that only a music piracy gadget could save them.
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