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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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There should be more accountability for incorrect DMCAs. I see why Nintendo is doing this, but it is wrong. Nintendo is famous for reselling old games on each and every new platform they build and this takes away that revenue. According to a thread on Reddit this video only showed emulators and not ROMs. Pretty wild that there is no accountability for these actions.

The way people on YouTube get around the legal penalties for false DMCAs is simple: they don't file a DMCA request. There are several other mechanisms by which YouTube will gladly pull content: Content ID, contractual obligations, TOS violation, etc.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

Switch has better battery life than Deck, has a supply chain which is actually able to aquire parts in mass quantities and sell to a large number of customers, and is more user friendly than any PC will ever be. I'll be buying a Deck in a few months when my preorder is ready to ship, but it's a niche product for tech enthusiasts while Nintendo makes mass market products for the general public.

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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I wouldn't have known about this if not for the take down, now I am interested in purchasing a Steam Deck.

If people were showing you how to bypass Steam and download games for free do you really think Valve wouldn't use DCMA to have it removed ?

Because I can't think of any business who would tolerate this.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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post #3

There should be more accountability for incorrect DMCAs. I see why Nintendo is doing this, but it is wrong. Nintendo is famous for reselling old games on each and every new platform they build and this takes away that revenue. According to a thread on Reddit this video only showed emulators and not ROMs. Pretty wild that there is no accountability for these actions.

The way people on YouTube get around the legal penalties for false DMCAs is simple: they don't file a DMCA request. There are several other mechanisms by which YouTube will gladly pull content: Content ID, contractual obligations, TOS violation, etc.

I still don't understand why Google went on the route of proactively removing content rather than reactively.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Nintendo really cares about the Nintendo experience, from their games all the way to the physical product people hold to experience them. And it shows. People talk about Nintendo as if a spell has been cast on them (much in the way Apple fans talk about Apple).

If you look into how much Nintendo spends on R&D and compare it to their revenues, you'll see they are _really_ serious about R&D. It would be detrimental to their business to allow that experience to be watered down.

There's nothing to be angry about. I dont think a product (at the scale and quality as Nintendo, Apple, etc) can exist in this world without it being in total control by the people who know how to create that experience. I'll happily pay more money to a company I trust to deliver quality (and fewer, polished options), much like people love Apple because it removes so many choices from people's lexicon.

Perhaps (I'll hesitantly say young) people don't realize that with freedom comes the more choices. And with more choices, you spend less time enjoying the product. You're a different market. You have time to research the hundreds of different flavors of Linux (as an example). There's nothing wrong with that; just be aware of what you're buying and dont complain when they aren't catering to your needs.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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I have to disagree hard on this. Nintendo was on the forefront of making old games playable on the new hardware. On the switch you can play many old SNES and N64 classics included in the Nintendo online subscription at ~2-4€ a month. They re-released childhood favorites like Zelda Ocarina of Times and Super Mario 64 on the 3DS and I actually bought the 3DS (in a special Zelda variant no less) just for that and Majora…

If you have to pay a subscription and that's the only way to play the classics there.. that's not free

Well that's why I said "or". I'm honestly not sure, I never tried to play them while not having a subscription. The subscription at 20€/year is much cheaper than what Microsoft or Playstation are offering though.

Edit: I looked it up, it requires the subscription and updated my comment accordingly.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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> You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. I have an actual physical NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, Gamecube, and Wii, along with games. The NES and SNES don't reliably run games anymore. I expect the others to eventually follow. And emulation provides better graphics, better features, portability (e.g. playing on a device you can travel with), creativity…

> So yes, emulation can be used with games you actually own, and doing so has great advantages. I'm not denying that is one use case, what I'm saying is that it's very unlikely it's the regular one. Nintendo's argument is basically that even if that were true, just because you purchased it once doesn't give you the right to it indefinitely. You might disagree with that, but that's their stance (when you buy e-Shop ga…

> just because you purchased it once doesn't give you the right to it indefinitely

Did I buy it or rent it? If I bought it then I damn well do have the right to it indefinitely.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Sounds like a MacOS on third party hardware situation to me. Brand dilution and all that. I wouldn't expect that before they are end-of-days desperate.

But they already sell shitty P2W mobile games on the app stores, seems like hubris trying to maintain their own platform.

There's an argument to be made that mobile gaming in Asia is what forced Nintendo's hand on the P2W mobile games. I don't (yet) see a world where Steam has the muscle to do this.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Switch has an e-shop with expensive games that will eventually get offlined within a couple generations like the ones before it vs. Steam, an e-shop with every game, for cheaper, including all the games people bought over the last two decades. I can imagine how disruptive a successful Steam entry into the console space could be once people realize they are tired of "renting" $60 games from ad-hoc console e-shops.

I have to disagree hard on this. Nintendo was on the forefront of making old games playable on the new hardware. On the switch you can play many old SNES and N64 classics included in the Nintendo online subscription at ~2-4€ a month. They re-released childhood favorites like Zelda Ocarina of Times and Super Mario 64 on the 3DS and I actually bought the 3DS (in a special Zelda variant no less) just for that and Majora…

GoG (2008, the wii was 2006) is probably at the forefront of old games that just work on modern hardware, though there is some occasional hiccups. I think the oldest title is from 1980.

For nintendo NES/SNES is if you have the basic subscription, n64 and genesis is an upcharge.

https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/2021/what-you-need-...

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Someone is scared Switch got competition that can run Nintendo games that even Switch itself can't.

I wonder how the Steam Deck does with Switch games that run notoriously poorly, like Age of Calamity.

That's perhaps the saddest part of this ordeal, the Deck struggles to keep framerates consistent in all but the easiest to run games. From what I've seen most games are playable, but there are often stutters and interruptions because of things like shader compilation that seem to make the whole experience quite frustrating.

The other issue is that the manageable framerates only exist when the Deck is throwing everything it's got at the emulator. The advertised battery life of the Deck is shorter to begin with, and the chip constantly running at max power only makes that worse.

I doubt anyone is going to buy a Deck instead of a Switch to run Switch games. Any fan seeing clear footage of game performance should realise that to play Switch games, you should really just get a Switch. By killing the videos, they're giving off the signal that they're afraid of emulators encroaching on their territory, which will only drive Deck sales.

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