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Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by guerrilla »

ch4s3 wrote: post #110
johnchristopher wrote: post #97

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Isn' t there another kind of GMO whose sole purpose is IP so farmers can' t reuse seeds from one season to the next ?

Well they're in the seed selling business and make seeds that can survive being sprayed with herbicide. Farmers agree not to save the seed when they purchase them. But no one is forcing them to buy those seeds, they could buy different ones and use different and less effective herbicides. The one guy they drug into court was not only saving them, he was reselling them to other farmers which seems like a straightforwa…

> But no one is forcing them to buy those seeds

This isn't true. Those seeds produce fertile plants that reproduce with plants from surrounding farms and farmers are prevented for saving those seeds. I don't know what you mean by "one guy" as they do it all the time in India from what I've read.

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Post by [deleted] »

unpopular42 wrote: post #83
porcoda wrote: post #4

This is why I still buy music I like - either physical media, or DRM-free files I can archive away. It's more expensive and labor intensive to manage, but at least I don't have to worry about my music ever vanishing for one reason or another. Things like Spotify are useful for discovering new stuff, but I sort of like knowing that stuff I like will always be available for me to enjoy regardless of what's going on amo…

It's not going to help much though. People like that will also try bullying sellers into not selling stuff by someone who says or believes something they don't like. Sure, you can still enjoy what you've already got, but good luck getting anything new from your favourite artist.

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Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by freshpots »

johnchristopher wrote: post #97
woodruffw wrote: post #41

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My understanding of the GMO debate is that there are two kinds of GMO development: there's GMO for the purposes of making crops themselves hardier, more nutritious, etc., and then there's GMO for the purposes of making crops more resistant to novel pesticides, herbicides, etc. The agricultural industry likes to conflate the two, since the latter is much harder to defend. I have no idea what Neil Young actually believ…

Isn' t there another kind of GMO whose sole purpose is IP so farmers can' t reuse seeds from one season to the next ?

Ever pre-GMO farmers preferred buying hybrid seeds over heirloom for their stability and traits. Nothing has changed in this way with GMO's.

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by olivierestsage »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #34
olivierestsage wrote: post #21

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I didn't actually mention free speech in my comment, which (although I do passionately believe in it!) I don't consider the main issue here. If a precedent is set for artists being rewarded for demanding that other artists be removed from platforms, where will it end? How will the line be drawn? How much content will the people listening on these platforms be deprived of simply because of rivalries and the like? It d…

In what sense are Mitchell and Young being _rewarded_? They're going to lose some money, right? And they've certainly lost a few Joe Rogan fans. Both of them simply asserted their right not to share a platform with someone they believe is doing significant harm. They owe him and their (Spotify's) customers nothing in particular. It'll either work out for them and they'll get what they want, or it won't.

They would be rewarded if Spotify dropped Joe Rogan to appease them.

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Post by manquer »

guerrilla wrote: post #81
manquer wrote: post #36

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Are there good tools which let you manage a catalogue? Either SaaS or self+hosted ? It is hassle to manage your own files on all your devices.I would rather i had app like Spotify but streaming files owned by me.

Personally I'd use Banshee (or iTunes if you prefer) and a NAS, but a lot of people are using Nextcloud which has plugins for this kind of thing.

Banshee looks interesting! thanks for sharing.

I was hoping for a streaming server(and clients) I suppose!, which maybe also fetches podcasts and also maybe does audiobooks and perhaps manage buying from stores which supports DRM free content downloads.

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Post by eej71 »

pseudalopex wrote: post #112
eej71 wrote: post #105

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None. But no one is making that claim.

> None. But no one is making that claim. They did. > But, I will never stand behind people wanting to deny him the exact rights they're exercising. Young and others are doing exactly that.

You are half right! (I didn't write the text you challenged). But I did misread the OP's comments. He does make that claim. Clearly Joe could pull his content if he wanted.

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Post by newfriend »

zapataband1 wrote: post #113
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #57

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It's a bit of tolerance paradox, in order to protect free speech we should avoid the free speech that want to censor others, otherwise we all lose the right. So of course pulling their music is their right, but it stops being acceptable when they pull their rights in order to prevent others from speaking. I am of the idea that we must tolerate free speech up to the point where this free speech is used to prevent othe…

This isnt a free speech issue. Neil Young is not the government nor is spotify. If Neil Young didn't want to be on the same tv show as joe rogan nobody would care. This amounts to the exact same thing.

So freedom of speech only exists if government is involved? I don't think that's correct.

These artists are attempting to use pressure to silence someone else. That's 100% a "free speech" issue.

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Post by lucb1e »

porcoda wrote: post #4

This is why I still buy music I like - either physical media, or DRM-free files I can archive away. It's more expensive and labor intensive to manage, but at least I don't have to worry about my music ever vanishing for one reason or another. Things like Spotify are useful for discovering new stuff, but I sort of like knowing that stuff I like will always be available for me to enjoy regardless of what's going on amo…

What you should back up is the playlists, since no matter what you buy, you will never legally own the music. Sometimes it's easier to work around the DRM than other times, but in no case are you supposed to be able to make copies and I find it easier not to try this and keep hundreds of extra gigabytes around when I pay for the service to host this for me already. The music will exist elsewhere as well, from the pirate bay to youtube to other music services to CDs if need be. The playlists are the data they can keep hostage, so I back that up.

When Grooveshark went offline without notice, I was lucky to have some offline songs on Android and some localStorage in the browser (and the skills to retrieve it). I don't want that to happen again, I lost quite a bit of music there, so I back this up now. At first I used a self-made a Spotify API client; later I found another tool to do this with: https://github.com/watsonbox/exportify

Re: Joni Mitchell joins Neil Young in protest against Spotify

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Post by sorry_outta_gas »

ch4s3 wrote: post #114
zzzeek wrote: post #89

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Neil Young doesn't have a GMO podcast nor any kind of political show on Spotify, nor is opposition to GMO technology an immediate grave threat to public health. Your point is completely irrelevant.

> nor is opposition to GMO technology an immediate grave threat to public health GMO panic is at the heart of a lot of COVID vaccine refusal, so I think it at least has a somewhat negative effect on public health.

TBH I can't blame people for being weary of GMO in general after the decades of pumping people full or garbage hormones and whatever else

it's a trust issue not a "science" one

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