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An Epidemic of Wage Theft Is Costing Workers Hundreds of Millions a Year (2014)

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post #32

This is the article that spawned this famous and shocking wage theft vs other theft infographic: https://www.tcworkerscenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/W...

That sure blows the mind.

I always thought that if government had a role to play in our lives this stuff should be near the top if not at the top of the list but I don't know of any country where it works the way I think it should work: The employee makes a single phone call (just like calling the police only slower), the gov agency calls the employer and instructs him to follow the rules leaving zero ambiguity. If he fails to immediately and retroactively correct his mistake an investigation and a fine follows. Ideally the employee is also compensated appropriately. If they lose their job in the process a year salary seems reasonable.

Why else spend millions to write all those laws if we are not going to implement them? Seems a waste of money? Why go to court for obvious things? In NL they have to steal more than 10% of your salary or the case will be dismissed. It's probably much less expensive than the US but it ain't cheap and you can forget ever getting promotion or a raise even if they don't just fire you.

We do in theory have such an agency in NL but they are more hunting for slave labor and cursory investigate pre-announced sectors one by one.

Re: An Epidemic of Wage Theft Is Costing Workers Hundreds of Millions a Year (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you loaf around at work and still punch the timecard, should they haul you off to prison for that too?

They still spent their time at work. Not loafing at home. Don't like what you got out of that time? Pay up and fire them so you don't waste any more money.

OK, fair enough: should buddy punching be a criminal offense? Hopefully our jails have room for 16% of the US hourly workforce.

Re: An Epidemic of Wage Theft Is Costing Workers Hundreds of Millions a Year (2014)

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post #6

> This failure to pay what workers are legally entitled to can be called wage theft; in essence, it involves employers taking money that belongs to their employees and keeping it for themselves. Shouldn't it be called fraud rather than theft? I thought theft is depriving someone of something they own... but you don't own the money yet before the payment is made. My understanding was, if you intended to pay a debt, bu…

> You don't own your employer's money until it's paid to you. I think you’re conflating wages earned and wages paid. You most definitely do “own” the funds you’ve earned even if your employer has not yet paid them out to you.

If you live in an apartment, does your landlord own your rent even if you haven't paid it? Should tenants who don't pay rent be guilty of theft? If not, then what's the difference?

Re: An Epidemic of Wage Theft Is Costing Workers Hundreds of Millions a Year (2014)

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're very much wrong then. It was not commonly used until 2003, when it really took off, and today it's used around 500 times more often than 20 years ago. Suffice to say, wage theft is not a 500 times bigger problem now compared to then. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=wage+theft&yea...

I was asking more about the "unceasing efforts of activists" part. That seems like it would've been controversial but I don't remember hearing anything about it. Who were they?

Your "unceasing but uncoordinated efforts of activists" sounds indistinguishable from people adopting the term because it's useful. Is there a better, less loaded term you'd prefer they use?

Re: An Epidemic of Wage Theft Is Costing Workers Hundreds of Millions a Year (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They still spent their time at work. Not loafing at home. Don't like what you got out of that time? Pay up and fire them so you don't waste any more money.

OK, fair enough: should buddy punching be a criminal offense? Hopefully our jails have room for 16% of the US hourly workforce.

This question seems to stem from some assumption that the employer-employee relationship is perfectly symmetrical and therefore both sides should be litigated the same.

Employers should get prosecuted harsher because they have the power.

Re: An Epidemic of Wage Theft Is Costing Workers Hundreds of Millions a Year (2014)

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post #54

Hundreds of millions in the US is from $0.30 up to $2.99 per capita. Maybe similar in scale to yearly losses from stuck vending machines.

"The researchers estimated that the average loss per worker over the course of a year was $2,634, out of total earnings of $17,616." -- TFA

Per worker who lost wages, not per worker across all workers.
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