This is great. For wide scale adoption of this (or any other tech for that matter) there has to be a way for people to make money. What are some business models that this enables?
Zero Data App
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are developing both server and apps for [3] https://solidproject.org/ The effort is backed by Tim Berners Lee, with great auth libraries including dPop and PKCE token exchange
Why is Solid architected such that your data resides on a computer that you don’t own, when people own computers and phones that are plenty capable of storing data and communicating via the Internet?
I am a huge fan and even started looking at Svelte to contribute to https://nomie.app. It is going back to syncing with your own CouchDB instance or just locally. Right now it’s local or to some blockchain company. I don’t remember the exact details any more but it seemed like no one had access to the data.
With Devonthink for Apple ecosystem, I synced between LAN/bonjour only for a while before switching to iCloud sync this year.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Resilience and availability are two great reasons, but even then, why not get those by utilizing end-to-end encrypted sync, such that the server does not have access to the data, but the devices do? Decoupling data storage from the application layer has some advantages, yes, but keeping the data in the clear server-side brings along many of the problems of the original: - Data is still centralized in large repositori…
I'm not sure how e2e encrypted sync works in this context. Someone needs to own a key. If the app is open, then it can't be an app key (or else it doesn't protect against bad actors on the server). Is there meant to be a tertiary party that holds the key then? Probably it would be difficult for most normal people to use a product like this.
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#124As someone dabbling with such an app right now, there are several hurdles if you want to exclusively use self sovereign identity. 1. Local data gets lost, so you need to sync for backup. But when your device gets lost or when you need to access it from elsewhere, how would you login to the said backup service? The most intuitive option is still a username and a password. 2. It's hard to transfer data from one device…
The internet also fundamentally changed how people perceive of their data being accessible. When I was trying to give advice to someone after their Chromebook bit the dust (from being dropped too many times), doing things like using a thumbdrive to maintain portable copies of the local data on the device... It was met with a can of worms of further questions starting with: a) what's a thumbdrive? and b) what's local…
I very much do not want to have to go back to that crap. Having it all "be there" is exactly how I want things to be.
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#125when looking at different data management approaches i see the following: - third party manages encryption keys and data custody, users manage none (dropbox, G drive et al) - third party manages data custody, users manage encryption key (e2e encryption, icedrive, pcloud, 1password etc) - third party manages none, user manages data custody (and eventually encryption) (0data and more generally "storing files in your co…
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#126As someone dabbling with such an app right now, there are several hurdles if you want to exclusively use self sovereign identity. 1. Local data gets lost, so you need to sync for backup. But when your device gets lost or when you need to access it from elsewhere, how would you login to the said backup service? The most intuitive option is still a username and a password. 2. It's hard to transfer data from one device…
The internet also fundamentally changed how people perceive of their data being accessible. When I was trying to give advice to someone after their Chromebook bit the dust (from being dropped too many times), doing things like using a thumbdrive to maintain portable copies of the local data on the device... It was met with a can of worms of further questions starting with: a) what's a thumbdrive? and b) what's local…
I believe one of the reasons for phones nowadays that come with 64GB or less storage, is you can push this limitation with cloud backup.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Privacy is not the only concern. Portability is another. Google Photos is holding my photo collection hostage at the moment. However, I completely agree with the second paragraph.
Hostage? You can export all of your Google Photos collection (I did that myself a month ago, to migrate to my NAS). It’s little annoying, and had some bugs with metadata, but possible.
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#128While some people care about privacy, huge majority doesn’t (even if they say they do), as you can see be various services that have billions of users. The only way to make privacy happen is if it’s dead simple, works out of box, and not only doesn’t regresses your experience, but meaningfully enhances it. I’ve failed to see projects that would do that so far, and same here - it adds extra complexity for end user, wi…
do you know about the safe network? that seems relatively easy. the way its being designed is that you will have to log-in to access the network (which does add complexity compared to now) but the idea will be that you can sign up for websites and services using your log in ID. so you dont have to share your name or email address and there will be no need for a service to store your password
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hostage? You can export all of your Google Photos collection (I did that myself a month ago, to migrate to my NAS). It’s little annoying, and had some bugs with metadata, but possible.
The last sentence is the explanation
Dramatic and exaggerated hyperboles only help to turn conversation into flame wars.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
The last sentence is the explanation
Having a small puddle in front of your house, doesn’t mean you’re held hostage. Dramatic and exaggerated hyperboles only help to turn conversation into flame wars.
The removal of that feature certainly wasn't accidental.