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Re: Zero Data App

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Post by austhrow743 »

ridaj wrote: post #62

That was one of the principles that made me enjoy https://www.hashapass.com , a password manager with zero storage. Not even local storage, because then you'd have to deal with backups. I'm glad to see so many applications follow such a principle, though whenever I use something like it I remain scared of not doing backups right.

Used to use http://www.nullpass.org which is the same thing but open source. Ran in to issues with websites having varying password requirements that sometimes the generated one did or did not meet, and then I wouldn't remember which alterations were needed for it the next time I needed the passwords for the sites.

Re: Zero Data App

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Post by loceng »

Vinnl wrote: post #67
brabel wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once you authorize an app to use your data, how can you check if the app is not "syncing" everything with their backend?

If it's a web app, you can check whether it's sending data anywhere but your Pod - but of course, by then it's too late. In practice, Solid is only the technology that enables control of your data; it doesn't provide the incentives. It's still up to apps to actually provide you with that control, and reasons for it doing so can include customer demand or regulatory pressure. But Solid can't force apps to give you con…

So these services/libraries are meant to be included in apps to provide this capability?

The solution, help, I'm looking for is to be able to easily integrate this into development - to give users control of running the apps with their data but also for the ability to give access/send the data to a centralized platform - or request/command for it be removed; obviously that decision will be if they trust the platform, the governance and leadership of it.

Re: Zero Data App

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Post by justapassenger »

While some people care about privacy, huge majority doesn’t (even if they say they do), as you can see be various services that have billions of users.

The only way to make privacy happen is if it’s dead simple, works out of box, and not only doesn’t regresses your experience, but meaningfully enhances it. I’ve failed to see projects that would do that so far, and same here - it adds extra complexity for end user, with no tangible benefits to the experience.

Re: Zero Data App

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Post by laurent123456 »

ethbr0 wrote: post #57
laurent123456 wrote: post #50

The message is good but the name makes no sense, and is almost the opposite of what’s described. In a traditional web app, the client has zero data, or just some cache. But in a "zero data app", in the way they mean it, the app has all the data, so certainly not "zero". Go explain the concept to someone unfamiliar with it with a nonsensical name like this.

It's zero data from the perspective of large tech entities. All terms aren't coined exclusively to speak to developers. ;)

> It's zero data from the perspective of large tech entities.

I understand that, and in fact most developers do. However if they invent a new term, it should be something that makes sense to everybody (not just developers or large tech entities), or at least that doesn't require a complicated explanation to define it.

It's nothing new either, the trend for self hosting and offline first apps have been going on for a while. In my opinion they failed at finding a good term that encompasses all this.

Re: Zero Data App

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Post by Grimm1 »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #70
satyrnein wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine that most users dramatically prefer the sharing, backup, and organization capabilities of proprietary cloud apps to local files. You are correct of course about apps that were able to interoperate on standard file formats, but I think most of those workflows were fairly complicated for typical users.

"I imagine that most users dramatically prefer the sharing, backup, and organization capabilities of proprietary cloud apps to local files." My mother has burned family photos to optical disk 20 years ago, we have physical photos that lasted generations. Tell me which app or cloud product I can trust with data for my grandchildren? Which app will not dissapear, be discontinued, ban you or delete my data if I stop pay…

Okay but you didn't address their point you just made a think of the children argument. It doesn't change the fact that most people use and prefer, google photos, amazon photos icloud etc. You're one person.

"In May 2017, Google announced that Google Photos has over 500 million users, who upload over 1.2 billion photos every day."

Re: Zero Data App

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Post by nicbou »

justapassenger wrote: post #73

While some people care about privacy, huge majority doesn’t (even if they say they do), as you can see be various services that have billions of users. The only way to make privacy happen is if it’s dead simple, works out of box, and not only doesn’t regresses your experience, but meaningfully enhances it. I’ve failed to see projects that would do that so far, and same here - it adds extra complexity for end user, wi…

Privacy is not the only concern. Portability is another. Google Photos is holding my photo collection hostage at the moment.

However, I completely agree with the second paragraph.

Re: Zero Data App

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Post by satyrnein »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #70
satyrnein wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine that most users dramatically prefer the sharing, backup, and organization capabilities of proprietary cloud apps to local files. You are correct of course about apps that were able to interoperate on standard file formats, but I think most of those workflows were fairly complicated for typical users.

"I imagine that most users dramatically prefer the sharing, backup, and organization capabilities of proprietary cloud apps to local files." My mother has burned family photos to optical disk 20 years ago, we have physical photos that lasted generations. Tell me which app or cloud product I can trust with data for my grandchildren? Which app will not dissapear, be discontinued, ban you or delete my data if I stop pay…

It doesn't sound like you're actually disagreeing with what you quoted, but you don't think it's in people's best interest. You may be right!

As an aside, you may want to back up your mother's optical discs; apparently those are starting to fail.

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