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Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

#121

You can pretend to care about North Korean censorship all you want, but if you name your platform “Pepe,” positively cite 4chan as an influence, and take the time to criticize “cancel culture SJWs” then it’s quite clear what your intentions and motivations are, and who your audience is: you want to create a space run by and for racist pieces of garbage. You don’t actually care about free speech at all, and neither do…

yep, not interested

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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This is an interesting project by all means, but I'm curious as to what your goal/vision for this project is. The reason that most online forum-esque services involve some sort of moderation isn't because they give in to the so-called "woke SJW Twitter mob", it's because they want to expand their user bases - a platform cannot host large amounts of sexist content and attract women, it cannot stop taking action agains…

In the post, they mention that each board will be moderated (filtered) by the creator, and the same goes for thread creators. Effectively it comes down to content creation and filters that can live on the client-side. Any decentralized unauthenticated or federated social network faces the same issues around reputation, moderation and sybil attacks. Matrix, for example, has the same. I imagine over time we'll get a gr…

Yeah, so Ruqqus does something very similar at the moment - using "guilds" and allowing individuals to maintain their own. The problem is with the people that the platform attracts - basically every guild on Ruqqus is something along the lines of "blackcrimesmatter" or "wakeupwhitepeople" not because the site is explicitly disincentivizing people with other beliefs from joining but because the audience is self-selected (people who think Pepe is a symbol of resistance) and because it's hard to end up with a diverse userbase. Decentralized networks where participants interact are still bound by the laws of human behavior, and people aren't going to frequent a space where they aren't welcome. The reason that Matrix 'works' is because there is no cross-cluster interaction: I have a server set up where I can chat with friends, but have no reason to interact with the pretty horrible use cases. Sites like these, on the other hand, are designed to normalize those use cases and encourage you to join those communities.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

#123

In a tolerant society, should we tolerate intolerance? I am genuinely interested to hear your thoughts.

> In a tolerant society, should we tolerate intolerance? What if in a society once tolerant to gaybashing, and other things (not so long ago), should one not tolerate "intolerance" to this? I think your question needs re-phrased.

Tolerate intolerance to tolerance of gaybashing?

That is just not being tolerant to intolerance. The question stands

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

#124
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"You see, freedom of speech and expression must be absolute." This is a very ignorant take on freedom of speech and a terrible foundation for your project.

If you don’t believe in freedom of speech you believe in censorship.

If you believe this then you must believe the US is poor at censorship given the amount of chaos in the past year.

All this really means is China will guaranteed to be the next superpower, they have perfected censorship. Freedom of speech is the only thing giving the US a competitive edge at this point.

Either the US becomes a mediocre censorship state or freedom of speech stays.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

#125

Parler may be a shithole and this person could be a racist, but this is exactly the kind of thing we need. We may feel secure in our ability to silence people we find odious, but it's only a matter of time until the system evolves to silence us for one reason or another. In particular, I think the magic sauce Pepe has is every user having his / her own moderation filter. The bitcoin donation address is here: bc1qs9pk…

If you do not feel like donating, consider showing the referenced blog post to your friends who might be interested in this project. Donations will fuel the development, but the author is going to work on it no matter what.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

#126
I’m more interested in substantive comments, including thoughtful criticisms, about such a platform and am appreciative of those in this thread. Can we have more of that instead of knee jerk flagging, please? Thank you.

Edit: I believe that free speech being absolute is problematic, but I also see issues with the changing contours of what’s allowed or forbidden in the “not absolute” classification that’s commonly used.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about libel/slander? What about child pornography? What about doxxing? Surely you agree we have to draw the line _somewhere_, even if you disagree with where we currently draw it?

Has anyone, anywhere, ever suggested that child pornography is 'speech' let alone 'free speech'? It seems bizarre to include in this list.

That sounds suspiciously similar to the historical argument about pornography in general: no one could defend that; it's bizarre to bring up.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

#128
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Empty repo.

The referenced blog post explains why. The author has just started.

Without code, "I am building a service no one can silence" is an empty boast. Moreover, it's an empty boast that could stimulate opposition, like running toward a heavily armed border checkpoint screaming "I have a gun!". So it's best seen as trolling.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, of course. This is presented as if it's some deep philosophical conundrum, when it's not. An example: I'm gay and I have had friends that didn't agree with me in supporting gay marriage. One was an ultra-orthodox Jew that was my coworker, and we would disagree on just about everything politically, but we still managed to tolerate each other and even become friends. This is what should happen in a tolerant societ…

Counterpoint: you seem to have accidentally strawmanned the opposing argument into a situation where the worst outcome is polite disagreement where you still can "become friends". I'd like to hear your opinions on my steelmanned version of the hypothetical: You meet somebody that is adamantly homophobic. They use their speech to rally others and take political action against gay people. They make same-sex marriage il…

Having tolerance for speech we don’t agree with does not mean we need to tolerate harassment, eviction, or termination.

You may argue that free speech may lead to intolerant laws and actions - but history suggests the direct opposite: free speech has mostly expanded tolerance.

And it makes sense: we have gay rights as a result of free expression. For the longest time the “offensive” idea being censored was that being gay was ok and not a result of mental illness. Without free speech we wouldn’t have gay marriage.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would love to see a legit reply to this point. Usenet is there.

Because free speech like the author wants = objectionable content. Which server providers will be hosting that Usenet newsgroups and be willing to be legal responsible for said content ?

You can host it yourself. INN is a server. slrn is one client, but there are lots.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterNetNews

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