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Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by kwhitefoot »

TeeWEE wrote: post #92

Consider buying VOLKSWAGEN group stock instead of TESLA stock... There are electric volkswagens everywhere, and their lineup of electric cars is amazing. Just saw the new ID4, its a super cool car: https://www.volkswagen.nl/modellen/id4 It looks way better in real life than on the site. With Tesla... These tesla model 3s are everywhere in the Netherlands, and they are a bit minimal in design and expensive.. A bit bor…

Just don't buy an ID until VW sort out the climate control and entertainment system. Currently quite a few Norwegian ID.3 owners are reluctant to drive them for fear of suddenly losing visibility when the climate control misbehaves: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&u=https:/...

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by burmanm »

bdamm wrote: post #71
outoftheabyss wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still a huge markup on their petrol equivalents, roughly £14k more expensive. Yes you get a few extra bells and whistles and a small grant to help but that difference still has a ways to go

No phone-as-key? I'd pay $14k just for that. It's life changing.

I hope you have phones worth of $14k in your pocket in case you break one. I always keep my Tesla's "CC key" with me as a backup for the phone. Also, the phone is horrible key when you have stuff in the hands or using gloves in the winter.

It's a gimmick.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by erterbest »

aphextron wrote: post #42
unethical_ban wrote: post #35

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Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?

>Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet? That's not my argument. It would be a good thing if all governments outlawed ICE consumer vehicles. However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs. Obviously you can make people do whatever you want with aggressive enough tax poli…

Subsidies can contribute to grow the market enough for that to happen, though.

Ability to scale, test new models, gather experiences et cetera.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by codecamper »

mhh__ wrote: post #101
toomuchtodo wrote: post #81

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Sour grapes. No one was racing to buy Leafs and Bolts, nor EVs with no DC fast charging network. People wanted a great car that happened to be electric, not anemic golf carts.

What's wrong with the Leaf? Some people just want a car that goes from A to B rather than a to flex on the plebs in a musk-mobile, good as they are.

nothing. And if you want to get some autopilot features you can install comma.ai.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by vonmoltke »

cbmuser wrote: post #40
TulliusCicero wrote: post #13

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No, it is not. Oil is used for more than just cars.

In the US, 68% of the oil is used for transportation: > https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-produc... So, yeah, that argument is actually valid.

As stated on that page, motor gasoline was 45% of US petroleum consumption, so 23% of that 68% wouldn't be touched by electric cars. There's also a relatively small amount that ends up in small engines[1], but I'm willing to write that off as a rounding error.

[1] Side note: I'm impressed by the explosion of high-quality electric replacements for small gasoline engines over the past few years. All my power yard tools are electric; the only gasoline engines we own our the car and the generator.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by eisa01 »

eloeffler wrote: post #70

This includes hybrids. It's really questionable to incentivize hybrid vehicles and selling it as a electrified success. Discussions about the efficiency/environmental impact/... of combustion v.s. electric aside, it's obvious that driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel. I think this can only be seen as a success for electrified motors if it's proven that they're actually being used.

It does not include hybrids, the 54% is pure battery EVs :)

Plugin hybrids were 20% and non-plugin hybrids 9%

Total *EV share of 83%

See slide 21: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/opplysningsraadet-for-vei...

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by 1stcity3rdcoast »

arve0 wrote: post #61
aphextron wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet? That's not my argument. It would be a good thing if all governments outlawed ICE consumer vehicles. However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs. Obviously you can make people do whatever you want with aggressive enough tax poli…

Kia niro comes out the same price, electric sells the most. Hybrid 405k NOK [0] Electric 415k NOK [1] 0: https://www.kia.com/api/bin/docDownload?program=brochure&loc... 1: https://www.kia.com/api/bin/docDownload?program=brochure&loc...

There are significant subsidies and schemes that the Norwegian government offers that reduces the total purchase price of the electric.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by michaelt »

ajross wrote: post #72
eloeffler wrote: post #70

This includes hybrids. It's really questionable to incentivize hybrid vehicles and selling it as a electrified success. Discussions about the efficiency/environmental impact/... of combustion v.s. electric aside, it's obvious that driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel. I think this can only be seen as a success for electrified motors if it's proven that they're actually being used.

Plug-in hybrids used for routine urban driving (commutes, errands, etc...) are effectively EVs. I don't have usage data for Norway specifically, but the numbers that have been thrown around elsewhere are something like 20-30% of the driving is done using the gasoline engine. Almost everyone celebrating "electric cars" in that headline is really cheering for carbon reduction, and this for sure qualifies.

I've heard some reports that a lot of plug-in hybrid buyers don't plug them in - or rarely plug them in.

In which case it's effectively a gasoline car.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by Uninen »

A bit off-topic but I've been wondering how well self driving technologies will work in Nordic countries where the roads look pretty different in summer and in winter. At least for me, the one of the biggest interest for Tesla comes from its (current but especially future) self driving capabilities.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by arethuza »

jfk13 wrote: post #76
arethuza wrote: post #41

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I'm in the UK, I suspect my first electric car (in a couple of years) will be the new Škoda based on the same platform as the ID.3: https://www.skoda.co.uk/electric-hybrid-cars/enyaq-iv

I'd be more interested if it didn't have what looks like a huge touchscreen in the middle of the dash.

I have a Škoda Kamiq which has a very similar dash design and I'd agree that I preferred the older style approach of having buttons for everything (e.g. heated windscreen).

However, my Kamiq has Apple CarPlay and a 'virtual cockpit' - the latter I thought would be a bit gimmicky but I really like it.

Edit: Did have to take the car back to the dealer because of a software problem when it was ~2 weeks old - which was a first for me... :-|

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