Why did this post move from #1 to #36 within minutes?
Becuase Apple took their 3000% cut
Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut
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Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut
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Yes, I dislike and disagree with him but it's ridiculous how everything is automatically his fault and a wrong position just because Trump supported it.
So you're saying that Trump takes no share of the blame for the failure of this policy?
Pretty much, it was obvious it faied before he even got in to office.
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Maybe due to there being a previous discussion? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23564247
Are there algorithms on HN, that sort through previous discussions and determine freshness, etc? Or is it a moderator/human review
Afaik it’s a human review. But they could as well add a label like (dupe) so we didn’t have to be hugely surprised when a post disappears when reloading the homepage.
Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut
#124The usual discussion on this topic goes like this: Apple defenders - It is their right to do it, since Android store allows them. Others - Apple is being a hypocrite. While they maintain that app store must be compensated for all the services they do to developers, When given a chance they do not agree with their above statement. I feel w.r.t app stores, Google is User-centric, but Apple is Apple-Centric at the expen…
Isn't it actually about market power? Apple controls a dominant share of the market for paid apps on phones, so it can use that power to extract more money from sellers of such apps. Google's market share is very small, so it can't impose this fee on sellers.
When you say, Apple treats their users as pawns, well, Google's ad business which generates most of their money, also treats their users as pawns. Both companies are amazingly effective at extracting extremely high profit margins from the business that they control.
In other words, primary goal of both companies is to extract as much money as possible from consumers and they're both extremely good at that, in their own way. Neither treats users as pawns, because, that would undermine their market position. Both are user-centric in the sense that they offer products that consumers (whether end-users or ad buyers) believe to be useful enough that they pay very high prices for them. And both companies are zealous in maintaining that relationship.
Apple seems to be slightly better at this, sitting on about $200 billion, but that's only after using hundreds of billions of dollars to buy back their own stock over the years. This treasury stock is hard to value, because it's unlikely Apple would actually sell it, except to buy some other big company. But it looks to me like Apple has enough treasury stock that it could be converted into something like a trillion dollars if they wanted to do that and were legally permitted to. (As an accounting matter, however, treasury stock isn't even counted as an asset, even though the company paid very real cash for at least part of it.) Google's also sitting on well over $100 billion and a bunch of treasury stock.
It raises some interesting social issues, but there's nothing very different about the way these two companies relate to their users, or indeed to society generally.
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But how does allowing third party in-app payments remove your ability to use Apple Pay? Apple could even force developers to include Apple Pay but at a 30% markup.
It creates multiple places to look for payments. Also, if the price is 0.99 vs 1.29 I would feel bad if I opt out for 1.29 with Apple despite the fact that 0.3p isn't changing anything for me but I would feel obligated to enter CC details to get the discount(Yes I know it's not logical but Humans, Aye? If people were logical half of the economy wouldn't be around). It's a friction I don't want to have in my life. The…
You would feel bad because you would know that Apple isn't providing a service worth 30% of the app's cost, leaving you feeling cheated.
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I would distinguish user vs developer. Android had always been partial to developers (more APIs at the cost of inconsistent and poor experience, sweeping location privacy on install that they refused to change until 10 version later, etc.) to entice developers to build on Android at some cost to the end user. Arguably, this 30% thing is not a freedom fight, just a payment negotiation for the publisher, and the end us…
> user could not care less Some publishers are giving the dollars back to the users. Like Fortnite. Also, because of Apple's rules, you cannot just sign-up from Netflix app in iOS. You have to sign up in their Browser and then sign in. And Netflix is not allowed to even specify that in the app. Absolutely confusing, for normal users. Very horrible experience. That is what I say when they are holding you as pawns. The…
> Some publishers are giving the dollars back to the users. Like Fortnite.
If my assumption Fortnite is making a profit is right they are not giving anything back. You can buy more 'fake money' for your real money which seems like a good deal to players, but the only thing they get from it are a few extra skins and items which cost Epic about nothing to produce.
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Well Apple does distribute Apple Music via the Play Store, and it follows all of Google’s rules around payment processing. > They provide the exact same thing. Review process is not related to the service they provide. The review process is a part of the service they provide to their paying customers, and it is a key market differentiator for Apple. > Apple does the same thing with Amazon. Apple doesn’t take a cut of…
> follows all of Google’s rules around payment processing That's the thing. They are not implementing these rules on iOS while following them on other platforms. >Apple does the same thing with Amazon. I was talking about Prime Video. Amazon got a discount
I can’t see what argument you’re putting forward for why Apple is being hypocritical here. Because they distribute their own apps on the Play Store they should required to implement all of the same policies that the Play Store does on their own App Store?...
Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut
#128Why did this post move from #1 to #36 within minutes?
Threads about Apple have been getting torpedoed to the second page all day. I suspect it's because the moderators don't want the entire front page to be posts on the same general topic, but it is frustrating when there are multiple developments in a short time.
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It seems to me that failure and a real reversal of the course China was on started from 2012 when Xi got power, so yes. Could have happened anyways of course but the change was drastic and clear from that point on.
I agree with your timeline. Do you not think that the second half of that period, when Trump has been president, that he may have contributed to the problem by providing an opportuniy for Xi Jinping?
Xi Jinping's actions are only minorly influenced by Trump. China are on a 100 year strategy. Trump's Presidency is a tactical curiosity at best.
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> but Apple is Apple-Centric at the expense of their customers Apple has done a lot to curtail scummy developer practices and protect users. You could go over each of their App Store policies and see how few of them are "at the expense of their customers." Not the least are their privacy and anti-tracking protections. iOS 14 already caught many apps (including Discord and Instagram) stealing our clipboard data and se…
> iOS 14 already caught many apps (including Discord and Instagram) stealing our clipboard data and secretly accessing camera, mic and location. Not really, this has just been a PR exercise that I'm watching with fascination - the real news is that they've shifted focus away from their own shortcomings. The real news here is that iOs14 allows unrestricted clipboard access. Think about that for a moment. Instead of ac…
Even if you gatekeep and hand-wave every positive thing they do as "PR" and "shifting focus away from their own shortcomings", it has benefited users.
> The real news here is that iOs14 allows unrestricted clipboard access.
Every OS does, no? Which steps has Android or Windows taken? (genuinely curious)