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Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by AmericanChopper »

ffpip wrote: post #102
AmericanChopper wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Play Store and the Apple App Store can’t be compared in this way, because they provide completely different services. The Apple App Store review process is far more thorough, and expensive to operate. Apple also invest more into ensuring the privacy and security objectives they have for the App Store are met by way of OS development. It’s not surprising that Google prices some services differently, and Apple i…

Why do you think I'm supporting Google? Google is worse. I'm saying apple doesn't go through the play store on Android. Is no convenience or security needed there? > because they provide completely different services They provide the exact same thing. Review process is not related to the service they provide. It is related to devs putting their app on the store. > Google prices some services differently, and Apple is…

Well Apple does distribute Apple Music via the Play Store, and it follows all of Google’s rules around payment processing.

> They provide the exact same thing. Review process is not related to the service they provide.

The review process is a part of the service they provide to their paying customers, and it is a key market differentiator for Apple.

> Apple does the same thing with Amazon.

Apple doesn’t take a cut of any sale of physical goods via apps.

> A quick search gave me this number 1-877-355-5787

There actually is no number, because Google doesn’t offer that level of support (unlike Apple). That is the phone number for premium G Suite and Cloud Identity customers.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by randomsearch »

simonh wrote: post #91
randomsearch wrote: post #81

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Would it have been such a failure without the election of Trump?

Trump has only been in power for a few years, so it’s really nothing to do with him. There are enough things we can legitimately lay at his door without making stretches like that.

So strange to be downvoted for asking a question, where a generous reading would be that I was genuinely asking it.

I think the aggressive stance of China coincides with the election of Xi Jinping in 2013, seven years ago. Trump has been in power for 3.5 years, so that's half of this time period. So it certainly _could_ be something to do with Trump.

My question was whether if would have been _such_ a failure.

It seems to me that both Trump and Xi Jinping have benefitted from the trade wars and diplomatic arguments between the countries. There seems little doubt that the Trump administration has given Xi Jinping a window of opportunity where he has been able to consolidate power and conduct aggressive foreign policy... so I genuinely wonder: how important has Trump's disastrous leadership been in the failure of this policy?

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by randomsearch »

rubber_duck wrote: post #93
randomsearch wrote: post #81

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Would it have been such a failure without the election of Trump?

Yes, I dislike and disagree with him but it's ridiculous how everything is automatically his fault and a wrong position just because Trump supported it.

So you're saying that Trump takes no share of the blame for the failure of this policy?

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by randomsearch »

corty wrote: post #100
randomsearch wrote: post #81

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Would it have been such a failure without the election of Trump?

Yes. China didn't change its behaviour toward more openness before Trump. Trump forced the conflict about this into the open in his usual charming way. But there was no opening process that Trump interrupted.

So you don't think China became more open at any point between Nixon and the present day?

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by reallydontask »

altmind wrote: post #110
njsubedi wrote: post #109

Why did this post move from #1 to #36 within minutes?

Can confirm, 380 points, 2 hours ago. Position 36. Why?

Maybe due to there being a previous discussion?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23564247

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by randomsearch »

thowawayyy wrote: post #94
randomsearch wrote: post #81

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Would it have been such a failure without the election of Trump?

It seems to me that failure and a real reversal of the course China was on started from 2012 when Xi got power, so yes. Could have happened anyways of course but the change was drastic and clear from that point on.

I agree with your timeline.

Do you not think that the second half of that period, when Trump has been president, that he may have contributed to the problem by providing an opportuniy for Xi Jinping?

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by njsubedi »

reallydontask wrote: post #115
altmind wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can confirm, 380 points, 2 hours ago. Position 36. Why?

Maybe due to there being a previous discussion? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23564247

Seems legit.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by ffpip »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #111
ffpip wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think I'm supporting Google? Google is worse. I'm saying apple doesn't go through the play store on Android. Is no convenience or security needed there? > because they provide completely different services They provide the exact same thing. Review process is not related to the service they provide. It is related to devs putting their app on the store. > Google prices some services differently, and Apple is…

Well Apple does distribute Apple Music via the Play Store, and it follows all of Google’s rules around payment processing. > They provide the exact same thing. Review process is not related to the service they provide. The review process is a part of the service they provide to their paying customers, and it is a key market differentiator for Apple. > Apple does the same thing with Amazon. Apple doesn’t take a cut of…

> follows all of Google’s rules around payment processing

That's the thing. They are not implementing these rules on iOS while following them on other platforms.

>Apple does the same thing with Amazon.

I was talking about Prime Video. Amazon got a discount

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by ffpip »

reallydontask wrote: post #115
altmind wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can confirm, 380 points, 2 hours ago. Position 36. Why?

Maybe due to there being a previous discussion? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23564247

Are there algorithms on HN, that sort through previous discussions and determine freshness, etc?

Or is it a moderator/human review

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